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6x04 - The Substitute
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did you guys notice Helen said to Locke let's invite your dad to the wedding? I guess he's a good guy in this reality


I noticed that! It made me wonder - if Locke's dad's a good guy, then why is Locke paralyzed??

I had 2 thoughts on the little blond kid - some form of Jacob, or an older version of Aaron. I think it's more likely that he's Jacob.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link Eryn!

It's possible that some names just wern't visible to us yet. Maybe Austin and more are there, just not a canidate. But for now it's a mystery as to why Jacob touched her, along with the other canidates, but she isn't one of them.

I think people can be crossed out even if they're not dead. They only get crossed out if they are no longer worthy of being a canidate.

There are LOADS of religious themes going on now. More than any season so far I think.

The graveyard scene was sooo reminiscent and sad in a way, but I loved it too.

I'm stumped too as to why Richard couldn't see the kid. Maybe the kid can choose who he wants to see him.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think we're stuck with Ilana cause she's a series regular. I still haven't made my mind up about her although her accent is really weird and grinds on me a bit.

Did you guys notice Helen said to Locke let's invite your dad to the wedding? I guess he's a good guy in this reality

Really hoping for a Sawyer episode this season.. have a feeling his backstory is drastically changed.

yea he has a pic of he and his dad at his desk
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be Locke's dad may be his biological dad OR he has adoptive parents
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey just had to post the Lost Untangled for this episode cause it's bloody funny this week http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re35SHtZDsE&feature=player_embedded
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was hilarious Paul. I wish that was a question on Who Wants to be a Millionaire....I would've choosen D.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe I loved the who wants to be a millionaire bit. Marvin Candle obsessed with sawyer's pecks then showing his to 'Margaret' xD
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HobbitRockGod wrote:
I'm confused about that random kid, and why Richard couldn't see him when FLocke and Sawyer could. Young Jacob was my first thought, but why couldn't Richard see him?


Maybe you can only see him if you're a candidate?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think Shepherd is Jack and Kate because you have to take into account this was done a long time ago besides they are not married. Kate's probably on there she's just not one of the numbers. I was thinking that it was just men but there's clearly Littleton and Rutherford on there so that screws that up lol


Okay good, if everyone on 815 was a candidate that makes me happy. For a moment I was thinking that they were just innocent causalities just to get a handful of candidates to the island. For some reason it is very strange to think of Shannon as a candidate, lol.

If we're going with the theory that Littleton is crossed out because Claire went darkside, then Sayid's should be crossed out too. So my best bet is that Sawyer will take over because he is a 'broken man' now

Ugh I'm just realizing how many people died--I had totally forgotten about Faraday. I was hoping that he would somehow come back, but if he's really dead for good, that's awful, because his mother KNEW from the moment that he was born that he would be shot later on by her. And more importantly, she did so many things to ensure that he WOULD go to the island later, so he COULD get shot by her. Which is ridiculous, because if I was a mother I feel like I would definitely try to fight it. I know this is old news but I just thought about it, lol.

UGH I just want Locke to come back to life and be the new Jacob! Is Jacob really dead for real do you guys think? For awhile there I was convinced that he would somehow come back, but if he was looking for someone to take over then that doesn't seem likely.

I can't wait to see how all of this plays out!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am wondering IF Jacob really wanted someone to take his place. I almost kind of doubt that it's that clearly laid out.

I mean Jacob liked people. There could always be another reason why all those names are on there, crossed off and not. I just think there is more to it.

I mean, Jacob has obviously been this 'form' for YEARS and YEARS. So why now? I just think there is more to this whole thing.
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I am wondering IF Jacob really wanted someone to take his place. I almost kind of doubt that it's that clearly laid out.

I mean Jacob liked people. There could always be another reason why all those names are on there, crossed off and not. I just think there is more to it.

I mean, Jacob has obviously been this 'form' for YEARS and YEARS. So why now? I just think there is more to this whole thing.

Who is to say Richard can't see the kid? He could have ran off.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not convinced that Sayid's gone darkside. Because Jacob's note that Hurley delivered said if Sayid died they'd all be in trouble... I kinda still wonder if he's Jacob reincarnated.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Elyse. I think so far it's score 1 for Jacob bringing Sayid to his "side" (or whatever he did, maybe he is Jacob incarnate but I'm thinking the blond boy is Jacob now) and score 1 for the man in Black for doing the converting Sawyer to his "side".
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's too easy to assume that they're picking and choosing people to be on their side. I think there is more to it than we are being presented with.

Someone got mad at me for saying that The Smoke Monster, MIB/Flock,Fake Locke (LOL) wants the island to himself. I honestly feel that way. Because bad people on Lost just never lie. Him saying it was just an island was to manipulate Sawyer, The Smoke Monster obviously knows it's not just an island. And then he got upset at me for assuming the Temple was his home. From what I have learned from watching Lost, it's a lot of reading between the lines, and using the hints and clues provided.

It almost seems like he's trying to manipulate ALL the names on the list to NOT want to take Jacob's spot. He took Jacob out for a reason. I don't think he wants a new Jacob. Smoke Monster Man In Black went after Sawyer first because he was easier to manipulate.

"James, probably when you were young and miserable and vulnerable. He came to you, he manipulated you, pulled your strings like you were a puppet. And as a result, choices you thought were made, were never really choices at all. He was pushing you, James. Pushing you.. to the island." That's exactly what Fake Locke is doing, coming at him when he is miserable and vulnerable. Easier to manipulate. He obviously is trying to get Sawyer AWAY from wanting to take leadership. I wouldn't be surprised if he went after everyone on the wall.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once more, we agree on your unpopular opinions. (Is there some sort of petition I can sign?) I haven't got much clever to add, except to say that telling Sawyer, of all people, that he was manipulated and that Jacob pulled his strings is a sore spot for a con man. Telling Sawyer he's dumb, or an asshole, or anything else besides gullible wouldn't do anything but get a rise out of him.

To that end, I expect he'll go after:

* Jack by saying that he's incompetent/incapable
* Sayid by saying that he's bad/evil (and we've already seen hints of that with the whole pill debacle)
* Hurley by saying that he's a loser/a failure
* Jin/Sun by ... ? Possibly by trying to break up or weaken the marriage.

Just a guess, but I think it's a solid one.
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