Lost Video Island

[SuperKC]

re: killing ex-step-siblings. I think that's what you're referring to when you were asking what I meant, right Hobbes? I was referring to Shannon and Boone as the dead-ex-step-siblings in question.

[Hobbes]

ahhhh oh I see. Get Bernard in that discussion, he DID keep Boone in that plane talking after all

[Polarbear]

Okay am I allowed to feel sorry for Charlie and give Locke plaudits for putting him in his place? I think Locke was justified in hitting him. He took the baby not once but twice and tried to burn the camp. Come on! I do feel for the guy though he's losing it and after tonight's episode I am really not feeling Coake right now. I don't think they have much chemistry.

One thing I need to point out. Charlie as a kid had the poshest accent ever. He's meant to be from Manchester and little kids do not talk like that there I loved the opening scene with Charlie playing the piano then switching to the island that was great. I also loved Sawyer in this episode. He had some great lines about Hurley and Libby.
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[Rocksiren]

I agree with PB. But I think Locke is being "out of character" (odd even for him) and is being a TOTAL hypocrite. Charlie had a point when he said everyone else's visions are okay, but not his.
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"You are just an encyclopedia of weirdness." ~ Supernatural

[harpreetd]

This episode was fantastic. Fantastic for a character building sequence. Without a doubt, Charlie's best performance on LOST to date. We found out a lot of things about him in this one. Charlie is a hugely misunderstood character in the story and outside the show, but nonetheless he is fun to watch. What's really great about Charlie is that he's "REAL" There are many people on the island that are fake, or at least try to be someone else.

Anyways, ... onto Locke.. Sorry locke fans but this episode was a complete disaster for him, his principles, his so called "faith" in the island and how he's always tried to make everyone believe that all of it is happening for a reason... is nothing but garbage. For a man that believes in Faith you would think he would trust Charlie even though what he says is strange. Locke trusted Charlie in the beginning of Season 1, when they were strangers, and now he turns his back on him (To his faith).

Charlie was actually talking like Locke in this episode, when he was talking about getting "tested by the island" and "happens for a reason"
It was completely backwards, and I just believe that Locke was completely "off" or another person in this episode.

Dont get me wrong I did think Locke was an interesting character, and fun to watch at times, but after this episode...

Just because Charlie lies means that he's using? Cmon, Locke where's your trust? You loved to lie about Boone when he died, right? And about the Hatch?

[Rocksiren]

Right on Harp.
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"You are just an encyclopedia of weirdness." ~ Supernatural

[harpreetd]

Lol.. ya I just had to get that off of my chest..

and how did you know that "harp" is what everyone calls me?
Are you psychic?

[Michelina]

Eee. This episode was heavy on the parallels, dudes. Come to think of it, all Charlie episodes seem to be. With The Moth, there was the choice theme, with Homecoming, the "wanted to take care of someone" theme, and now in Fire + Water, the longing for a family...

Hum.

Well, I hope I don't get my head bitten off for saying this, but I did feel sorry for Charlie in this episode, and I do not apologize for that. As a few others have said, he had the right to express that when he has a vision, it must be drug-influenced, but nothing is suspicious about anyone elses' dreams or hallucinations. It's true that Charlie himself created that image when he was first presented to others as a junkie, but his past as a junkie will always haunt him. I haven't had any experience with drugs myself, but I think someone who gets really deep into drugs like Charlie did will always be tempted.

He is losing his mind, and it was silly of him to cause the fire disraction and take Aaron. But as Dom Monaghan said, Charlie tends to "screw up" sometimes, like all people do, and I'm glad the writers do that with Charlie - as harpreedtd said, it makes him more realistic. I don't hate Charlie like most of the castaways and fans - I'm just worried for him. Once things go chaotic for him, there is no telling where he will go next. And that scares me.

Now, as for Locke. Woah. Okay. I love Locke. And I don't despise him now. But I agree with Rocksiren on one thing about Locke - he was very, very hypocritical in this episode. I understand that he was acting as a father figure for Claire - kind of like a Dad protecting his daughter after a boyfriend just broke her heart, you know? And I guess that, because of the dramatic irony and Locke not knowing what was going on inside Charlie's head like we do [and I thought he knew ALL! ], beating Charlie seemed to be the right thing to do. I don't get why he decided to do it at the moment that he did, though - Charlie only wanted to look Claire in the eye and apologize (some people have noted that he made a grab for Aaron but I don't ever seem to catch that bit when I watch it). Sigh. Anyway, why I think Locke is being hypocritical - just in last week's episode, the Hunting Party, he asks of Jack "Who are we to tell people what they can or can't do?" Ummm. Is Charlie not considered as part of these people, or something? Jack can see his dead father, Hurley can think numbers are cursed, Kate's dead father can symbolically be turned into a bloody horse, Michael can see his kidnapped son and talk to him through the computer... but, oh, Charlie is just slightly nutters so he MUST be on drugs, so he has to keep a distance from everyone? What? I wasn't feeling the OMGLOCKE!1 vibes here.

And I'm sorry to keep complaining about the man, but I also did not like how he said "Give the baby to me." O...kay. I was expecting "Give the baby to Claire." I think that might have triggered Charlie to shout "Who the hell are you, John? You're not his father,", not just his mere jealousy of Locke and Claire. The idea of Claire/Locke, by the way, BORES ME TO TEARS, as a sidenote. Seriously. As Polarbear said, they have absolutely no chemistry [in the romantic department at least]. He's more of a father figure. although I personally wouldn't want someone who's going to be a hypocrite as a father.

Sigh. I'm sorry to all of you Locke fans - I am one myself - but he too is imperfect. For a while I thought he couldn't do anything wrong, but he was very much out of line in this episode in my opinion, which I don't really feel like being bashed for by Locke fans, because as I said, I am one myself.

*deep breath*

And now, Claire - she was great in this episode. Considering all that was happening to her, and to those she cares about, she kept a very cool head. Her "goodness" that the psychic spoke of seemed to really shine in this episode, even when she slapped Charlie. She carried out his wish for Aaron to be baptised. That, to me, seemed to say that part of her still either cares for him or trusts him - maybe both. I really liked that.
Some of you may argue that she didn't do it for Charlie but for Aaron, and I'd agree that it was partly for her and Aaron too. But somewhere, in the back of her mind, it was for Charlie as well. Yay, Claire.

The Hurley/Libby was odd. Not as informative as I would have liked it to be. Something about Libby is definitely fishy, though. I think Hurley was indeed her mental patient once. Oh, but I liked how she said "Finally, a guy who keeps it simple" or something to that effect. That was nice.

Kate/Sawyer/Jack/Analucia - Gah. They just have to be in every episode, don't they? Their storylines didn't really go anywhere. Though Sawyer gets brownie points for giving Hurley "advice" - I thought his "hit" and "bust" talk was, not only about the game, but his relationship with Kate as well in a weird sort of way. Am too lazy to explain. Jack/Ana was great, too. They're not exactly my favorite characters, but I love them together. They seem much more happier and the whole "leader-pressure" thing they share just seems to disappear. Love it.


Anyway, my overall rating of this episode is 7/10. Charlie is an interesting character, and I love his episodes. This one just didn't really click with me, mainly because of the development of some characters and how quickly it moved. It was just good in my opinion. Not mind-blowing or great, but Damon did warn that this would be a relationship episode instead of an island mystery/mythology one in the latest podcast. Ah, well.

The acting was awesome though. In fact, it was excellent. And even though I'm not really feeling the Lockeness right now, Terry O'Quinn was great. Dom was fabulous too. Yay for the cast.
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[harpreetd]

Well said, Michelina. There were many things in that huge chunk of words that I wanted to say as well, but found myself too lazy to say them..
I too feel very scared for Charlie, even though I think he's great, he does make terrible mistakes that may cost him his life.

And I DO NOT want that to happen.. Charlie is a great character that adds comedy, fun, and overall calm presence.

[Hobbes]

I've gotta agree with Michelina, even on the Locke parts. Yes, looking over it again it looks like he may have taken it too far. The first time I was too busy screaming "YES! YES! YES!" when he was punching Charile to notice that Charlie actually said "I'm sorry" rather than tried to push it further, so I appologize for assuming he was just taking the Aaron thing further. But I think it was still the "last straw" for Locke, like Charlie didn't deserve to be forgiven for what he'd just done. Charlie had proven over and over to Locke that he couldn't be trusted with anything, because he kept lying every time when Locke was the only one willing to help him out of his addiction in the first place. Furthermore, Charlie was hurting Claire with his lies, and Locke said he'd protect her.

So as I see it the conclusion to Locke's "change in attitude" can be explained one of three ways:

1) he didn't have a change in attitude, but Charlie had "given up the right to be believed". Personally, from Locke's conversation with Charlie, I would never believe Charlie either, it sounded like he was just trying onr last desperate time to get back at Claire.
2) Locke has had a change of character since his relationship with Claire and the baby. After all, he hasn't (or as far as we know) had a familly either.
3) This ep was a throwaway filler one, and whoever wrote it decided to just write Locke out of character because someone needed to fit the spot.

I don't really think it's out of character though. The thing I love most about Locke is how I can completely understand why he does everything he does, and it was the same way in this. From what he saw of it, if I was in his position I would have done the very same thing, EVEN while knowing (as a viewer, not Locke that is) that Charlie was probably right and something weird WAS going on. Everyone's always quick to criticise the writing, but what if.... dare I say it.... "eveything happens for a reason" rather than everythign being in or out of already ill-defined characters? I liked all the characters, and I'm finally enjoying Charlie again (but we were supposed to hate him in the past weeks IMO as he's bossing Claire around and lying). I even liked Ana Lucia. Only thing I'd say is wrong with this episode is the lack of answers, and I'm not even going to go off on that tangent again

[MoreLight]

I really like reading comments here.

Prior to reading the replies I would have said the episode was awful. I agree with a lot that has been said either by Rocksiren, Harpreetd, Michelina and Polarbear.

Although I am a Locke fan I do think he started losing his sanity after the Booneplane incident. Now that Shannon is dead and his accelerated 12 step therapy for Charlie seems to have failed he is unraveling very quickly. While it makes his character seem unstable I rather like the way he is interestingly unpredictable rather than apostle John the boring.

I did learn a lot about Charlie and it is important to his character development. Thanks for pointing that out harpreetd!

As for Hurley and Libby I'm wondering how a former psycho-ward inmate and a clinical psychologist would get on together. Should be interesting to find out how he knows her... or thinks he knows her.

Overall I give it a 7 out of 10 like Michelina. (pre-LVI-post reads I would have ranked it a 4 out of 10)
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[Aislynn]

Now that I've seen the entire ep from beginning to end, well... a lot of my observations have already been said. But here's my take on the whole Locke/Claire/Charlie thing.

Putting myself in Claire's shoes for a moment: alone, with a baby, no family, no trusted, pre-crash friends around, having already been kidnapped once, having had her baby kidnapped a couple of times as well (Danielle, then Charlie), I think it would be sort of hard-wired into you to look for a protector-type.

Yes, this goes against the Xena-Buffy-I-am-woman-hear-me-roar modern day line of thought. But if I was in that position and scared for my life and my baby's life, then you'd better believe I'd be looking for the biggest, meanest, strongest guy on the Island to have my back. Locke can fulfill that need for her. (So can Eko, but she's known Locke for longer and besides, if the biggest, meanest, strongest guy on the Island is a priest, I might wonder if he'd be willing to knock some heads together to protect me and li'l Turniphead -- I don't think she's seen him wielding that stick against anything more threatening than a Virgin Mary statue, has she? )

On Locke's side... No, I don't see a lot of romantic chemistry going on between him and Claire (for looks that sizzle, see Sawyer and Kate... ). But I think that in the same way he fulfills the role she's looking for, she and Aaron do the same for him. Keeping in mind that this guy was in a wheelchair just 50 some days earlier, feeling humiliated by having to be carried onto the plane, not even able to pick up something from the floor... Well, now he suddenly, miraculously, is the hunter of the bunch. The strong, tough guy that this nice young woman needs to help protect her and her innocent baby. How could he resist?

Something I found interesting was not so much that he hit Charlie at the end, but that he hit him more than once. One time was here, you've been acting like a moron, so this is what you get. Three times seems more that plus a message of and stay away from what's mine. Again, it doesn't have to be a romance thing. Claire just said that Charlie was hurting her, Locke punished him for it and sent him a strong message of don't even think about coming near them again.

Lastly, it made sense to me that Locke told Charlie to give the baby to him, not to Claire. Keep in mind that Locke thought he was dealing with an addict high on heroin who was already holding a baby "hostage." Putting Claire in his reach wouldn't have been a smart move. What if Charlie would've dropped Aaron, grabbed Claire and snapped her neck in a drug-induced rage or something? (Not saying that he would have, of course, but that would've been something I would've worried about in Locke's position -- he thought Charlie was using, after all). So Locke was just physically better equipped to fight a guy whom he thought was totally strung out and hallucinating, if the need would've come up.

Anyway, that's the way it all seemed to me...

[Aislynn]

Huh, my last post isn't showing up. Wait, now it is... Okaaaaaaay...

[Enchirito]

i'm sorry. that was just horrible. who wrote this piece of crap? Locke was not the only one acting out of character... almost everyone seemed out of character to me. Here's an ep summary in case anyone missed it: 'Charile does a few dumb things that mean nothing and in the end everyone still hates him. The End.'

you know, I almost though something odd/cool/suprising would happend during Aaron's baptism. no. nothing.

In fact i think i'll foget this episode every happened. Sorry if i sound negative. I just feel very let down that lost could have an episode like this.
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[SuperKC]

You guys have been body snatched. I just know it. I'm quitting this show...


...AFTER February sweeps!


*Edit! oh my god, E! You are my savior!