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pruedens
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| the last time jack saw locke was when he stabbed naomi and he was ready to shoot him as well....and he exploded the sub....so why would he listen to him when he says that the people who are coming are evi for all he knew would be another trick of him to stop them from leaving the island again...and jack in the scene of the finale didnt had a gun as well..... |
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Brooke
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I think Jack was justified. All Locke did was show he was irrational with his decisions. How was Jack supposed to know he was unarmed? Locke always has a knife with him, and just because the knife he threw was in Naomi's back, didn't mean he didn't have another. And his knife was in Naomi's back...That just proves Locke was irrational.
Jack honestly thought he was doing the right thing, he thought Locke was dangerous. He killed some girl with no explanation. He had a 'kill first and ask questions later' attitude, and Jack was worried for the rest of the people.
Jack cared about getting the people off the island, he didn't view the island as good, but as bad, and Locke was this obstacle always getting in his way with on real explanation other than 'this is our destiny'. Which was already clear to Locke, Jack didn't believe it. He offered no more evidence.
I also just re-watched the scene. Locke goes for his gun to shoot Jack, and Jack pulls it out of his hand. So it was pretty much also self defense. I would call that justifiable. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| MysticWondering wrote: |
I also just re-watched the scene. Locke goes for his gun to shoot Jack, and Jack pulls it out of his hand. So it was pretty much also self defense. I would call that justifiable. |
Locke only pulls for his (unloaded)gun after Jack sucker punches him which knocks him to the ground. That would mean that Locke was acting in self defence, and therefore would also be justified. Jack clearly has the upper hand. Locke is on the ground unable to move(with Jack standing directly over him) and Jack pulls the trigger anyway. That's not self defence.
those matters aside, I do love when Jack fights <3
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| Debbie wrote: | | MysticWondering wrote: |
I also just re-watched the scene. Locke goes for his gun to shoot Jack, and Jack pulls it out of his hand. So it was pretty much also self defense. I would call that justifiable. |
Locke only pulls for his (unloaded)gun after Jack sucker punches him which knocks him to the ground. That would mean that Locke was acting in self defence, and therefore would also be justified. Jack clearly has the upper hand. Locke is on the ground unable to move(with Jack standing directly over him) and Jack pulls the trigger anyway. That's not self defence.
those matters aside, I do love when Jack fights <3
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So getting punched means you should shoot someone? Jack only punched him Becausehe was shot at, and Locke killed Naomi. Locke going for his gun to shoot Jack wasn't justified, Jack taking the gun was.
And Locke was able to move because he went for his gun, and they fought over the gun. Locke could have moved, but just figured Jack wouldn't shoot him. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Lets get back to the Jack love and away from the attempted murder of Locke!
LOL I'll start!
I LOVE JACK.... 
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:57 am Post subject: |
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me too nikki! 
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Brooke
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LOL. I love Jack too.
I am going to say it.
The tears...make me love him just a little bit more. |
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Debbie
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| MysticWondering wrote: | | Debbie wrote: | | MysticWondering wrote: |
I also just re-watched the scene. Locke goes for his gun to shoot Jack, and Jack pulls it out of his hand. So it was pretty much also self defense. I would call that justifiable. |
Locke only pulls for his (unloaded)gun after Jack sucker punches him which knocks him to the ground. That would mean that Locke was acting in self defence, and therefore would also be justified. Jack clearly has the upper hand. Locke is on the ground unable to move(with Jack standing directly over him) and Jack pulls the trigger anyway. That's not self defence.
those matters aside, I do love when Jack fights <3
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So getting punched means you should shoot someone? Jack only punched him Becausehe was shot at, and Locke killed Naomi. Locke going for his gun to shoot Jack wasn't justified, Jack taking the gun was.
And Locke was able to move because he went for his gun, and they fought over the gun. Locke could have moved, but just figured Jack wouldn't shoot him. |
how could he shoot Jack if the gun wasn't loaded. being able to move your arms is defferent from your whole body. I still don't see how one was any better than the other. They are both essentially in the wrong.
thats all that really can be discussed now.
I prefer his sarcastic laugh he does when he's pissed off, to the tears. I think I'm going to do a tribute to that laugh one day
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Brooke
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| Debbie wrote: | | MysticWondering wrote: | | Debbie wrote: | | MysticWondering wrote: |
I also just re-watched the scene. Locke goes for his gun to shoot Jack, and Jack pulls it out of his hand. So it was pretty much also self defense. I would call that justifiable. |
Locke only pulls for his (unloaded)gun after Jack sucker punches him which knocks him to the ground. That would mean that Locke was acting in self defence, and therefore would also be justified. Jack clearly has the upper hand. Locke is on the ground unable to move(with Jack standing directly over him) and Jack pulls the trigger anyway. That's not self defence.
those matters aside, I do love when Jack fights <3
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So getting punched means you should shoot someone? Jack only punched him Becausehe was shot at, and Locke killed Naomi. Locke going for his gun to shoot Jack wasn't justified, Jack taking the gun was.
And Locke was able to move because he went for his gun, and they fought over the gun. Locke could have moved, but just figured Jack wouldn't shoot him. |
how could he shoot Jack if the gun wasn't loaded. being able to move your arms is defferent from your whole body. I still don't see how one was any better than the other. They are both essentially in the wrong.
thats all that really can be discussed now.
I prefer his sarcastic laugh he does when he's pissed off, to the tears. I think I'm going to do a tribute to that laugh one day |
I think we should just agree to disagree. |
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Attention Jack fans!
Have I got a song for you!
Cherry Poppin' Daddies' No Mercy for Swine.
I was going through my MP3s looking for inspiration, and this came up. I just about lost it at the 'No, Jack, don't you go back' part, and then did crack up laughing at the 'drowning in a thousand beers' part. Someone who likes Jack but has a good sense of humor about him should make a video of this. I'm entirely serious.
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| thefilmchick wrote: | Attention Jack fans!
Have I got a song for you!
Cherry Poppin' Daddies' No Mercy for Swine.
I was going through my MP3s looking for inspiration, and this came up. I just about lost it at the 'No, Jack, don't you go back' part, and then did crack up laughing at the 'drowning in a thousand beers' part. Someone who likes Jack but has a good sense of humor about him should make a video of this. I'm entirely serious. |
I once wanted to do a video to Jack with the song It's My Party. I love Jack, but I also have a good sense of humor too. Sometimes you just have to do fun and silly vids. |
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A little late but this made me LOL
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| I LOVE JACK!!! is that enough???? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Jack swallowing the poison pill was kick ass 
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Totally was Paul!
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