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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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okay, the first one is that for some reason whenever I split a clip, it splits the audio track underneath it, very annoying! I've used vegas before and this has never happened so im very sure its something I've hit, what have I done?

You must make sure the clip your splitting is selected and highlighted in a blue colour or vegas will split everything at that point.

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second issue, how do get edit the audio of a clip and only use what i want to use. like i have the clip of kate saying 'I'm Kate' from when she meets Jack and there's the fire crackling before and after that's very annoying and that I would cut and mute if i were in WMM. what's the vegas version of this? and how do i mute single clips instead of the whole dam line?

Can you not just cut the audio when the fire finishes and starts? I'm not really sure what you mean here

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Oh, and can i delete the audio of a clip without deleteing the actual clip. i think i accidentally did this once but i have no idea how.

Just select the audio and it will highlight blue, then delete it.


littleton_pace wrote:
OH, just remembered another!!! Been bugging me for ages! when i use the pan/crop button to go closer in a particular clip, sometmes in the first second it zooms in really fast...if that makes sense...again, help!

well if you want a moving zoom then make sure you keyframe it to the end of the clip for zooming. if you want it to start on that zoom make sure you are at the start of the timeline when zooming in.

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and now for some reason i have two audio track of the song, like it doubled itself. this time im POSITIVE i hit something but whatever i did wont undo

I think you duplicated the timeline, just rightclick on the track you dont want and click delete track


hope i helped with some stuff
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mehh

So I havent made a vid in ages, and I just got this !crazay idea for one. So I imported my .avi files into Vegas and all of a sudden its not taking them anymore!

No message pops up saying whats wrong, it just not letting me put in on the timeline. When I open it in the trimmer it says "media offline" where the video should be.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I'm starting a new video in Vegas and I am trying to select a clip, and the select highlighting isn't going on. Is there an alternate way to select? It doesn't seem to recognize my left mouse button, weirdly enough, though it recognizes it for menu selections.

Also, I am unable to delete the audio layer from the clip (have already added the song to the timeline). How do I do this? Note: I can mute the clip with the 'switches,' but that doesn't remove the audio info from the audio track, just silences it. (Edit: Scratch; figured out how to do this by inserting a third audio track and making that one hold the video and be mute. Still, I'd like to know how to delete things from the project timeline without having to open them in the trimmer, nonetheless. If I try to just flat-out delete the audio from the trimmer, it deletes the video it's tied to as well.)

Also, regarding the time measurements - is there a way to make the measurements in the subclip in the trimmer conform to the measurements in the project window, not the measurements of the episode I took the subclip from?

More questions:

Fade in/fade out - Where is this?
Titles - Where are these? (Edit: Found static titles. Where are the better titles?)
Beats - Is there a way to highlight these in the project timeline, without opening it up in the trimmer and doing eight separate subclip files for every four seconds? I have set markers/regions on the beats in question - is there a quick way to either cut/flash-transition these or pulse them so that the beat is accentuated without having multiple clips?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the toolbar at the top theres an icon that you need to select called ignore event grouping. If you move your mouse pointer over the icons it will tell you what they're called. Make sure this is switched on and it will allow you to delete just the audio track.

For fade in out just hold down left mouse button at beginning of a clip and stretch it across and it will create a fade. Do the same at the end of a clip to create a fade out.

The better titles? You mean the ones where you don't have to do any work for? You can actually animate the text to zoom in and across the screen using the pan/crop tool which comes up if you click the cross icon on a clip. There are plenty of tutorials that cover animating and the pan crop tool on here.

I'm not sure what you mean about the rest :/
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By "better titles", I meant something moving, rather than a boring title just sitting there. I think I can work out how to animate it, though.

For the other questions:

1) Numbering

Look at the numbers in the yellow circles:



How do I make them the same beat numbers (or frame numbers, or seconds; I don't care), instead of having the numbers in the trimmer be taken from the subclip's place in the full episode?

2) Flash/beat effects without using the trimmer



Same place in the video. I have a region that I want to have a flash, circled in cyan. I have figured out how to split it and give it effects, but not transitions.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I get you about the last one now. Well if you select one of the icons at the top again called automatic crossfades it will allow you to stretch a clip over another one thus creating a basic fade transition. Then you just need to goto transitions and replace the fade with a flash.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thefilmchick wrote:
By "better titles", I meant something moving, rather than a boring title just sitting there. I think I can work out how to animate it, though.


I've never actually got the hang of Vegas' scrolling titles (I never seem to fill out the "form" it gives you correctly) but all moving titles beyond that are animated. They all start off as the static ones then you move them with the keyframes and the pan/crop tool. I actually have done scrolling titles just by writing the titles I want in the static ones then using the pan/crop tool to have that title plate pan down.

thefilmchick wrote:


1) Numbering

Look at the numbers in the yellow circles:



How do I make them the same beat numbers (or frame numbers, or seconds; I don't care), instead of having the numbers in the trimmer be taken from the subclip's place in the full episode?


I'll have to look that up. I know there's a way to change that...

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2) Flash/beat effects without using the trimmer



Same place in the video. I have a region that I want to have a flash, circled in cyan. I have figured out how to split it and give it effects, but not transitions.


Once you've split your clip, you just go into the transitions tab and drag the transition you want up to where the split between the clips is (they need to be right beside each other). Or you can pull the second clip back onto the first (which creates a crossfade) then just drag the transition onto the crossfaded section.

Also about how to remove the audio from a clip... Does Vegas 7.0's trimmer allow you to select the video only? In Movie Studio, you highlight the part you want in the trimmer by left clicking the starting point then dragging it as far as you need. Then you right-click that section and a bunch of options pop up, a couple of them being Video only and Audio only. You can use that to leave the audio off to begin with if you know you're not going to need it.

For when it's already on the timeline, I've found it easiest to right-click the clip and select group - remove from group and that will let you delete the audio or video of that clip without taking both of them at the same time.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, sorry, Pauly! Crossposted you!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, got what I need to. So I'm working on this and previewing and I have things set up precisely because I am picky sometimes, and when I play it back, some of the flashes aren't playing, although I know that they're on beat. I am assuming that it is simply because it's complicated. Are there ways to doublecheck, or to force it to play every effect on time?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aislynn cross-posting me is better than sex


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OK, got what I need to. So I'm working on this and previewing and I have things set up precisely because I am picky sometimes, and when I play it back, some of the flashes aren't playing, although I know that they're on beat. I am assuming that it is simply because it's complicated. Are there ways to doublecheck, or to force it to play every effect on time?


Did you find the numbers thing, then? Sorry, I haven't had time to open Movie Studio to look for that yet...

And unfortunately, the longer your vid gets (and particularly the more effects, transitions, timelines and clips you have) the more Vegas "skips" when it previews. However, you can highlight a section (or however much you need) by left-clicking and dragging on the timeline and go to file - render as. Make sure the box called something like "render loop section only" is checked, then render just that bit of your vid to check the timing and effects and such as they'll look in the final vid. I looooooove Vegas' spot-rendering ability! I usually render dozens and dozens of little test vidlettes just to make sure everything is falling in place correctly!
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Aislynn wrote:
Did you find the numbers thing, then? Sorry, I haven't had time to open Movie Studio to look for that yet...


Still haven't found that. It's not crucial, but when you do have it open, please let me know, if you find a way.

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And unfortunately, the longer your vid gets (and particularly the more effects, transitions, timelines and clips you have) the more Vegas "skips" when it previews. However, you can highlight a section (or however much you need) by left-clicking and dragging on the timeline and go to file - render as. Make sure the box called something like "render loop section only" is checked, then render just that bit of your vid to check the timing and effects and such as they'll look in the final vid. I looooooove Vegas' spot-rendering ability! I usually render dozens and dozens of little test vidlettes just to make sure everything is falling in place correctly!


Got it. Thanks! Behold, my first six seconds of Vegas (including effects and animated titles, heh.)

Another question, based on that - how do I cut the filesize without losing quality? That's 6 seconds at 2 MB - the song is 4min long, more or less, which means I'm looking at an 80 MB file if it's all the same level of complication. Are there any tricks that Vegas might do to bring it down to, oh, 20 or 30 MB?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Addendum: I did a couple more seconds, rendering it as an AVI to see if that made a difference. It did, but not in the right way. It brought it up to 900 MB. Obviously that's not acceptable. Help!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, for the number thing... Try looking under Options - Ruler format. That lets you set how the ruler handles the numbering, I believe.

About the file size thing: I have, through no fault of my own, ended up with a pretty decent size to quality ratio on my vids (you can't count how they look at YouTube, of course, if you've ever seen any of my vids there, because YT makes the quality crummy). But if you've ever seen it downloaded, I can usually get pretty nice quality at 428x240 size and I've never had a vid over 20MB in size. But it seems to a combination of my original footage (which is rendered down into WMV from AVI) and my settings:

Audio: 64kbps, 44,100 Hz, 16 bit, stereo
Video: 30.000fps, 428x240, Quality VBR 90%, WMV v9 compression, Keep Original size

The adjustments for all of those settings are under the Custom tab in the rendering box. Something that can produce a huge file is trying to raise the overall frame size up to something more like 640x480, which occasionally is the default. I'd recommend sticking with WMV to get the best size to quality ratio over pretty much anything else that Vegas has.

So I'd say check under that Custom tab and see what the default is showing, particularly the size and bring it down to either 320x240 or Keep Original size (depending of course on how large your original size IS ).
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Aislynn wrote:
Okay, for the number thing... Try looking under Options - Ruler format. That lets you set how the ruler handles the numbering, I believe.


Already looked there before I asked. It lets you change it from seconds, beats, etc., but does not seem to let you make the numbering on the trimmer and the numbering in the project be the same.

It would make things a lot easier if those were the same, for obvious reasons (easier to pair things up.)

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About the file size thing: I have, through no fault of my own, ended up with a pretty decent size to quality ratio on my vids (you can't count how they look at YouTube, of course, if you've ever seen any of my vids there, because YT makes the quality crummy). But if you've ever seen it downloaded, I can usually get pretty nice quality at 428x240 size and I've never had a vid over 20MB in size. But it seems to a combination of my original footage (which is rendered down into WMV from AVI) and my settings:

Audio: 64kbps, 44,100 Hz, 16 bit, stereo
Video: 30.000fps, 428x240, Quality VBR 90%, WMV v9 compression, Keep Original size


I'll try that now. Let's see what it turns out as...

The adjustments for all of those settings are under the Custom tab in the rendering box. Something that can produce a huge file is trying to raise the overall frame size up to something more like 640x480, which occasionally is the default. I'd recommend sticking with WMV to get the best size to quality ratio over pretty much anything else that Vegas has.

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So I'd say check under that Custom tab and see what the default is showing, particularly the size and bring it down to either 320x240 or Keep Original size (depending of course on how large your original size IS ).


My original size is 640x480. I don't think we want that.
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