Lost Video Island

[emmasholi]

Centric:

Spoiler: MIB/Jacob

Synopsis:

Spoiler: The motives of John Locke are finally explained.

Enjoy it, have fun discussing the episode (we ain't gots many left *sob*), and please remember to be respectful of everyone's opinions! Don't forget to check out this thread: Spoilery icons/banners & general spoiler reminder
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[Debbie]

I'm really excited about this episode, finally I can see us getting some answers/ explenations. Or at least begin to answer some questions!
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[Brooke]

It was such a good episode. I wasn't feeling it in the beginning because of last weeks, but this was finally giving us some answers.

I knew there was something wrong with the 'mother' (Allison Janey did a fantastic job!)

I thought the game scene was very interesting.


I felt sorry for Jacob, his scenes were so heartbreaking. I felt sorry for the way the mom treated him.

I don't think Jacob knew the aftermath of what was going to happen to his brother by putting him in the light.

Also, the scene they replayed of Jack and Kate finding the skeletons, AWESOME! SO glad that was touched upon again.

But yeah, I don't blame Jacob for what happened to MIB.

I am annoyed his name was never said though. I'd just to give him a real name instead of MIB or Flocke. LOL.

[thefilmchick]

Curious how Jacob does not apparently deserve blame when it seemed a pretty clear case of "murder" (such as it was) to me.

Things I learned from this episode:

* People in Ancient Rome apparently wore pants.

* The heart of the island looks remarkably like the golden-light pit in the Indiana Jones and the Search for Atlantis computer game I had in the mid-90s.

* Saying Jacob's name all the time does not mean you will say his brother's name at similarly convenient times--not because of the name, but because the writing/the plot demands it, no matter how awkward.

* Saying 'across the sea' when you would logically say the place name similarly is a sacrifice the island... er, the plot contrivances... demand.

* Jacob sounds a hell of a lot like Forrest Gump at times.
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I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect.

[Brooke]

[thefilmchick]

Even in that scene, I still don't think it's as blameless as you imply (man, it seems like every episode we're attributing blame differently--I think we may have different ethics within the context of the show [not to imply that either one of us is more right than the other, just that we view the same events differently]):

When Jacob dragged MiB towards the Heart of the Island, MiB was all, 'Wait, what's going on? Where are you taking me?' Dragging someone towards the big unknown void of something and tossing them in there is not, to me, an act which is entirely pure and innocent. I think we saw hints this episode that neither Jacob nor MiB is entirely what they've been portrayed to be, and Jacob's actions this episode are pretty straight evidence of that.

I agree on your comments about Stepmom, though: Stepmom should have been up front with both kids, and not doing so screwed up them both. Especially when the kids got to be teenagers, like they were throughout the first half of the show: Concealing secrets is invariably damaging, because the kids will almost always find out and feel betrayed. (If nothing else teaches us this, watch any episode of Maury Povich's paternity test extravaganza. Haha.)
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I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect.

[Brooke]

[Charlies_Innocence]

I also don't blame Jacob for what happened. While he isn't entirely blameless, like Brooke said, he didn't mean for that to happen to MIB.

One thing I wasn't entirely clear on - what happened to the "light" after Jacob threw his brother in? Was it still there? I wasn't sure....

I also thought Jacob was very sweet and innocent! He was maybe a bit slow... but he was adorable, I wanted to give him a big hug.

I'm still on Jacob's side.... Because even after that episode, MIB's actions this season aren't justifiable...
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[nikkimonique]

okay well apart from learning how MIB became the smoke monster I didn't' learn much and am still very confused...would have much rather seen an episode with the regular cast...I think I enjoyed the ending the most since we finally got to see who Adam and Eve were.
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[eloramoon]

I am finding myself woefully inept to decipher everything that was buried in this episode, but HOLY CROW--it was good!

First, I about died laughing: "Every question I answer will only lead to more questions." Clever writers! I guess we can pretty much abandon all hope that all our questions will be answered.

I loved the things that were straight forward: that they're brothers, how they got there, and generally what led them to where they both are/ended up, and the origin of "Adam and Eve". (Which, btw, to echo Brooke, I love the way that was handled.)

However, I did feel a little short changed in other areas: the background of AJ's character, why pockets of light and magnetivity would translate (in MIB's mind) to a way off the island, and why MIB thought making a hole and attaching the "donkey wheel" to it would get them off the island. Obviously, we know he was right, but how did he know that? Yes, I know he told AJ that he just knows because he's special, but that seemed like a bit of a cop out to me. I hope that we'll somehow learn why the island works the way that it does. Why did MIB turn into the smoke monster just because he went into that hole?

They answered some questions, but the answers only led to more questions. L. O. L.

XD

P.S. So, is it safe to say that Jacob represents man *before* "taking a bite of the apple", and MIB represents man with the sin of knowledge? Or something?
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[nikkimonique]

yeah this episode just frustrated me Julia...
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[Brooke]

It was a very vague episode. I think it needed to be longer, unless they're going to touch up on it more.

I'm still on Jacob's side.... Because even after that episode, MIB's actions this season aren't justifiable...

Agreed. He killed innocent people, and it wasn't their fault what happened to him.

I'm still Team Jacob.


It was MIB that caused her to kill the mom, and take both kids. I want to know what she saw in him. I too feel like Jacob was the second choice because MIB was leaving.

That's what this season did, it answered questions but gave more questions for us to want questions on.

And then it got annoying because I don't want more questions, I want the questions I want answered to be answered. LOL.

[nikkimonique]

I hope so Brooke b/c right now I'm just like whaaaat?
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[Brooke]

[Polarbear]

Really enjoyed the episode but I have some problems.. if they're twins why do they not look anything like each other? And why do they still have american accents before america presumably even existed? Weird stuff I really hope they explain it and it hasn't turned into Stargate where all aliens speak american.

I'm saying it now if Jacob and MIB's 'mum' represents the supposed good side of the island I don't buy it because she seems more like the bad to me. Killing their real mother because she 'doesn't belong.' What an evil cow. Reminded me of when Widmore wanted to kill Alex.

Loved how they humanised both Jacob and MIB. They both did pretty terrible things yet I still feel bad for both of them. Maybe Jacob didn't know what would happen but he did know it was a fate worse than death which can't be good.

Really liked the Adam and Eve reveal because that's what I expected it to be. No messy time travel needed here.
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