Lost Video Island

Charmed_Charlee · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject:

Firstly I didn't think it would be a Jack episode as I've been keeping myself good with centrics and all that

I liked the appendix part I was like oh wows, I somehow think there's a part of them which knows they are living in an AU world.

And Jack has a kid OMFG! :O I think from the beginning you can sort of tell that he doesn't want to be like his father, by trying to have conversations with David and wanting to be a part of his life.

The Nought's and crosses game was cute with Miles and Hurley passing the time, bless thems

I quite like how Hurley's had more importance with his little Jacob missions this season bless him going kick ass "why don't you go back to the courtyard" Yay lol

And yay again for the return of Jacob, kill the guy and he still comes back lol

Yay for the return of badass Claire

I love how she's become so independent on the island helping Jin. I felt a bit like awww when Jin looked in the baby crib

I liked how she brought the infection thing up cause it reminded me of Rousseau and the french people. I feel sorry for her that they think that the others have Aaron and when the others had tortured her I was like awww.
When Kate mentioned about seeing Claire I was thinking you better not she might be able to kick your ass lol.

OMG WOW, he was the leader of the others who was the dad :O I love these little connections the way they are all somehow connected

The degrees thing was very very very cool, with the losties and then the mirrors having like a "this is your life" picture of Jack. I think that's cool then if Jacob has been watching them all their life to see if they actually are "candidates."

Oooh Kate vs. Claire that would be fun lol, and now she's working with Locke :O things are getting a whole lot interesting, me likies.

To say it's a Jack episode, I've actually enjoyed it not because it was Jack's episode but it just seemed to be quite interesting with the Claire stuff with the change she's made and then the ending was like :O :O :O with Jin lying to Claire that shocked me saying the others had Aaron but guess he was trying to protect Kate.

HobbitRockGod · Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject:

Here are my thoughts on Claire (because I would like to organize them

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First of all, I'm THRILLED to see her again. But I miss the old Claire soooo much.

She was the only Lostie (other than Hurley) who was pure and good, and I suppose that had to change eventually, but....sigh.

I don't think that Claire is completely gone, though. She did recognize Jin, and still wants him to be her friend. When she was asking him about if he was still her friend she almost sounded like her old self.

I HATED that Other guy for wanting to kill her when she only wanted her baby back. I think it was a good move that she killed him.

I think it was really a bad idea on Jin's part to tell her that he was lying about Kate. When she finds out THAT was a lie, she's not going to be happy with him either.

The main thing that makes me sad about this is that she thinks FLocke is her friend when really he's the devil figure, and everyone thinks she's evil and crazy. Well, guys, how would YOU feel if your child went missing and you lived alone on an island for three years??

I was always surprised Rousseau functioned as well as she did.

I never had a problem with Kate *raising* Aaron. Here's what I had a problem with - the fact that she pretended Claire never existed. HOW hard would it be to say, at least, that she had died on the island?? I hated that she pretended Aaron was hers all along, and let him think she was his real mother, and that there wasn't someone out there who loved him and missed him so much. I also hate when she acts like Claire didn't take good care of him. "She was going to give him up for adoption, she left him in the jungle!" Blah blah blah. Kate doesn't know anything about what Claire would have done, and she had no idea what happened when Claire disappeared. She has no right to justify herself by saying that.

....I also don't like how they're acting like Claire and Kate used to be best buddies. Huh? They hung out in all of, what, three episodes?

So I'm all set to see Claire kicking some unsuspecting-Kate-ass soon.

Okay, that was really long. Whoops. ^^
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Brooke · Expert Vidder Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 24129

I am on the fence about her VS the others. I don’t think in the beginning they wanted to kill her. I think what happened was she was just too far gone and was unable to be reasoned with. I think they have tried to make connections with her to make her realize many times that they never had her child.

I am more confused on how MIB is her friend. First of all, he hasn’t been around in John’s body for that long. UNLESS she is actually friends with the ‘it’ inside of him and knows what he does, IE becomes someone else in a sense. So that could be logical, and if that’s the case he’s most likely manipulating her to believe that the others were bad, and wanted to kill her. When in reality, the others form of the others are there to protect the losties. (Which still makes me wonder why they were hunted and treated horribly by Ben and his breed of ‘others’ Which makes me believe Ben is evil. But that’s another conversation. LOL).

She knows he’s not John. She sees the disguise, is how I took it. “That’s not John.” She knows it’s not Locke, and he isn’t pretending to be Locke to her either.

Kate began to love Aaron as her son. We never really saw her as a mother in the beginning to Aaron so we don’t know. BUT she had to put on this face that she was his mother, if she didn’t all she knew was ‘the people on the island would die’. We don’t really know that whole story, only pieces of it. NOW, I have no problem that she claimed him as her own. She thought she was never going back, she became his mother, she took care of him for 3 years, there had to be some sort of a connection. And it’s just like adoptive parents. There are a lot of adoptive parents that don’t say anything to their kids. But again, they only gave us pieces. Her claiming him as her own never bothered me because A) she had to, and B) he needed a mother.

I side with Kate on this. To everyone else on the island, it looked as if Claire abandoned Aaron. He was found lying on the ground. I’d assume that too if I was in that situation.

Kate saying “She was gonna give him up for adoption, Jack” Was because he was talking about blowing up the island to make it to where they never crashed on the island, and landed in LAX. And told her that Aaron and Claire would be together. She said that because she was afraid they wouldn’t be together, because most likely if they did land in LAX she would have. The AU going on now isn’t a ‘what if they landed’. She most likely would have given Aaron up. That had nothing to do with her taking Aaron. Kate never brought up apotion when she said “Let’s say he’s mine.”

And I really don’t think Kate deserves to have her ass kicked for saving that kid’s life. What was she really supposed to do, leave the baby on the island alone? Then people would complain about her lack of humanity.

eloramoon · Council Member Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 9077

I just finally got a look at the screencaps of the cave walls and the lighthouse wheel, and it was so cool to see the names that were on there! I think most of the important ones have been mentioned above, but I didn't see if anyone mentioned that Linus is #117 on the lighthouse wheel. And also Goodspeed (Ethan? Horace?) was on the cave walls.

Also, Linus is crossed out on the lighthouse wheel. Does that mean that Linus referred to his dad? Or that crossing out doesn't necessarily mean dead but candidacy revoked?

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Brooke · Expert Vidder Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 24129

I don't think everyone who is crossed off means the are dead for examples Rose, Benaerd, and frank. I also think it refers to Ben.

littleton_pace · Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:45 am Post subject:

Polarbear · Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:09 am Post subject:

I think she's too insane for it to have just been 3 years of being alone. She is on the level of Rousseau, probably worse and hasn't been living alone for the crazy amount of time that Rousseau had. Her sudden island skills are also something I don't think she's 'learnt' during the three years it's more to do with the infection.

I do think Kate and Claire have a very significant history on the show concerning Aaron. Of course it was Kate who helped bring Aaron into the world and you can't not feel close to someone who did that for you. Although I do feel they are pushing the Kate/Claire friendship/connection too much in the alternative universe.
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HobbitRockGod · Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:51 am Post subject:

I don't think it was logical to say Aaron was hers. Claire was eight months pregnant when the plane crashed. They said Kate was six months pregnant when the plane crashed. Wouldn't someone notice that baby looked two months older than he was supposed to be?

Also, it's just kind of disrespectful to act like his mother never existed.

Again, I NEVER had a problem with the fact that Kate took care of him, because they obviously didn't have any other choice. What I said above is what really bothered me about the situation. Kate obviously loves Aaron, and he may be the only person in the world she DOES love. And she knows he needs to be with his mother. Which is apparently why she came back to the island. I can't decide if I completely believe that or not, but I do think it was at least ONE of the reasons she went back.

And I AM very glad for that. Claire and Aaron need each other more than Kate and Aaron do. Kate needs to work out her man issues. Claire needs her child because she has no one else.
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littleton_pace · Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:59 am Post subject:

Again, i have no problem with the reasons kate took aaron either, and nor do I want kate dead/harmed

She's my 2nd fave character after Claire. i guess my issue stems from the fact that Claire plays second fiddle to kate's story now when for 3 seasons, she didn't. If they had been bonding since the start like claire and sun, it would be believable. But to me, someone who desperately searches for claire scenes and knows them back to front, its not.

But Kate's whole story through seasons 4-6 is the fallout of lying about Aaron and what a mistake that was. her realization that it was selfish to take him, going back to he could be with his real mother, the show is portraying it as the wrong thing to do and kate is trying to 'right' it by finding claire.

Plus, in Claire's eyes, someone took her baby. And someone has to pay for leaving her without him on the island, alone. She's been coaxed by Flocke and Christian that it was The Others and she's set about seeking revenge. So when she finds out its kate, she still wants that revenge. someone still took her baby and she wants him back. Which im grateful for, i had this horrid thought the show would have claire say she didn't want him anymore and left him on purpose :S i dont think she's thinking 'oh im gonna kill my friend kate'. Someone took her baby; they're going to pay whoever they are. Plus, he's obviously not thinking clearly.

Also, i think my main hope for some Kate/claire beat up is to A) see Claire be badass, which ive been waiting for for 6 years, and B) get some good angsty scenes from Emilie which we havent had since, what, 4x01? and C) Kaire scenes

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HobbitRockGod · Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:06 am Post subject:

Claire's a mommy whose child was taken from her. She has no idea what happened to him. He could have been hurt or frightened for all she knows. What would ANY mom do?

Personally, I know my mom would go kick some ass. But eh, that's MY mom.

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littleton_pace · Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:38 am Post subject:

Jemmz · Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:24 am Post subject:

I agree with Kat. It's not Claire's fault, she wouldn't leave Aaron there on purpose. And I agree that Kate probably had no choice in taking Aaron but she did do it for selfish reasons. She even admitted it - "Because I needed him." And okay, but that just annoyed me, the way she was pretending he was her son to an extent where it seemed like she had actually fooled herself

(telling Ben he was her son when she knows full well Ben knows the truth O_o)

I'm not trying to start an argument but that's how I feel and it's one of the things that have made me so upset with Kate. I was really glad to see her go back for Claire, even though it REALLY didn't seem like that was what she was doing (Even Jin found her, and he wasn't even trying!!). Not saying she's doing a purposely lazy job, lol. The writers are just making it seem that way

And I don't want Claire to beat up Kate either (which sort of surprises me actually

) I want an argument, a confrontation, yes. Maybe a bit of hitting but I don't want Claire to go crazy and kick her ass, and I definitely don't want her to kill her.

In conclusion, I just really miss old Claire

Like I said, she used to the only innocent one left I think...someone else mentioned Hurley, but I ruled him out when he drove over a bunch of Others in that van, and even bragged about it afterwards.

Randomly going back to some points you said, Eryn: