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 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: Sir Complain-A-Lot's Army |
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Transferring this conversation from the 23rd Psalm thread:
| Rocksiren wrote: | Just because theyve been together doesnt mean there is trust or maybe ever WILL be trust. And theyve only been there for like 6 weeks, supposedly. There are people there whom I dont trust and probably never will. Such is the way in any community.
Also doesnt anyone else feel like the show has stalled? I mean I just dont feel like its "mobile" anymore. |
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| SuperKC wrote: | | Word, Rocksiren. I feel the same way. Which is pretty much the reason for my annoyance with the show this season. They are trying to drag it out for all it is worth which is turning out to be not that much! They don't have all the same writers as the first season and JJs all busy with MI3 (oh how fantabulous THAT's going to be... right) so I feel like it's just getting worse and worse. Unfortunately. |
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| Rocksiren wrote: | Yeah first season rocked! Thank god someone else agrees with me. I just feel like the show is actually LOST and not really going anywhere. And come on with the stupid button- I hate it! Lab rats! Im just guessing, but the 84 Mac they have down there isnt going to last forever. So the fate of the world depends on the intergrity of the hardware in a tropical environment and DOS from the 80's? I have a computer I took when I went away to college with me- back in 2000. Its long been out of commission.
MI3- ha!! I remember this great joke the Daily Show told when MI2 was coming out-
"and the plot of mission impossible 2 was to figure out the plot of mission impossible 1". |
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| SuperKC wrote: | | Okay so we're big talkers Rocksiren, but have either of us quit watching the show? NO! I like to call it the Days of Our Lives syndrome. It's an addiction. Deep down we really hope it proves itself to be the show it started out being, so we can't help but tune in for the next overhyped and underwhelming episode. Sigh. |
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| Rocksiren wrote: | Well, I the thought of quitting the show had crossed my mind. Actually I find myself less enthused about it than I used to be on Wedensday nights. Plus I think of LVI and realize, I cant. I cant stop watching it.
And maybe I do hold a little hope that it will start to get better. Different writers- why? Hope springs eternal- just ask the 75 year old man who hits on me at work, while pushing his wife's wheelchair in to see the doctor. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperKC wrote: | | Rocksiren wrote: | | Plus I think of LVI and realize, I cant. I cant stop watching it. |
How true it is. |
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| Enchirito wrote: | Lost is stalling? Yep, has been since Desmond left *yawn*. The tail section spin off didn't go anywhere. I though it was going to casue some sort of riff. Turns out Anna&Co just took the looooong ass route to walking into camp and introducing themselves as part of the gang.
Charlie is a dick. Should we feel sorry for him? should we hate him? I believe the more pressing qestion is WHO CARES.
Come on Lost! WAKE UP! So you showed us a little more of the monster.. now stop teasing and do something COOL WITH IT!
A little teasing is fun, but eventually you have to deliver the goods and so far Lost has been exceedingly poor at doing that.
True, i will keep watching. But to be honest, I'm dangerously close to losing interest. |
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| Hobbes wrote: | Did you guys listen to the latest "LOSTCast 13: the 23rd Psalm" podcast? They had a very interesting quote from Damon Lindeloph (at least I think it was him, I tend to throw random writer's names in there  ) that he knew there were lots of complaints about the show moving too slowly, but ;then he said something along these lines:
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"It's funny, the writers get to choose when a show begins, but the network executives get to choose when it ends. Even if myself, J.J. and all the other writers went straight to the the executives and said 'We want to end this show by season 3, because that's where the story arc should end.' they would say 'fine' and hire someone else to finish the show. All we can do is try and spread out the storyline and keep it interesting while we bide our time until we can be done with it and finally reveal the whole answers. Are all the speculators waiting for the answers going to like the ending of Lost? No, I can predict that it won't be a happy moment. Far too many shows get dragged out long before they should end due to popularity. We'll just have to wait and see if this happens to Lost." |
Apparently he sounded kind of angry as he was saying that too, sounded like he was in a contract dispute with ABC.
Anyway, thought that might put things into perspective. Sounds like all the writers are as at the mercy of the executives as we are, and that they too would like to wrap up the story soon. But as long as Lost is popular, it doesn't sound like we're going to get what we want. In the meantime, I plan to just enjoy it for ;the characters, and the storylines, and at ;least put the footage to some good use with soem videos. At least we have vids. I hate to think what the rest of the fans are thinking...  |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperKC wrote: | | Enchirito wrote: | | Charlie is a dick. |
Yet another reason, why E rocks.
| Enchirito wrote: | Come on Lost! WAKE UP! So you showed us a little more of the monster.. now stop teasing and do something COOL WITH IT!
A little teasing is fun, but eventually you have to deliver the goods and so far Lost has been exceedingly poor at doing that.
True, i will keep watching. But to be honest, I'm dangerously close to losing interest. |
Yes, yes yes. This is exactly what I mean. It is like David Copperfield or something, nothing but a bunch of smoke and mirrors with some wires behind it. No big secret, just some artful engineering. Except with David Copperfield you go there for the illlusion. With LOST, what you want is to be told a story that matters, that surprises us occasionally, and makes us want to tune in next week because it is so damned good and we can't help ourselves. What we get is a story that is falling apart at the seams, characters who go through arcs one season only to have that erase entirely the next or who lose their personality due to "lost" writers (literally), and storylines that fade into oblivion until we don't care anymore and the only reason we tune in is because we hope, by god, that it will TURN INTO something great.
I don't want to go there with the Buffy thing again, but it applies, so I will. It didn't hide behind a bunch of mystery. The stories it told and the places it went were always so fresh, original, and at times shocking that there was no need for artful dodging. It was good because it had great plans and stuck to its guns. It let the characters do and say the things they wanted and needed to say. It let them make bad choices. It gave them reasons. It stayed true to its roots during all of this as well. It made the hard choice. There wasn't one moment during the entire run of that show when you felt as though the rug couldn't be pulled out from under you at any moment. And when it did, (and trust me, it did) you knew you would like it. Surprises just are NOT the same when you see them coming from a mile away. Buffy could balance between giving clues so that when the big shocker hit, you could look back and go "oh! I get it!" but you weren't "waiting" per se for the big reveal. It just HAPPENED before you knew what hit you. It didn't dilly dally around with pointless episodes wherein one, (at best) thing happens to advance the plot. Lost, on the other hand, is just turning out to be a bunch of smoke and mirrors; big overture, little show; all the pomp without the circumstance.
But at the same time it has us. Hook, line, sinker. |
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| Enchirito wrote: | KC is Right!
hobbes, where did u get that quote? I listen to the lost podcasts and he never said anything like that that I can rememer? ...?
Well, assuming he did say that... holy crap! thats the stupidest way to write a show i've ever heard! shame on the writers for hiding behind the execs. TV executives have no souls. They hate art. They love only money. If the writers want to write a great 3 season show, they need to get some balls and write it. Write an ending at the end of season 3 and see what happens, walk away if they have to, and say good luck to the new crew who I'm sure would love the challenge of writing a new X season arc! They can't just say, well we'll set up first season... stall for X seasons... and then ending it when we find out our ratings are in the toilet and we're being canceled.
This strengthens my theory that the writers are not extremely talentedm they're just average writers in it to have some fun, but mostly for their paychecks. Holding back their potential in fear of being broke. Screw that! Be real artists and stop giving a shit about money!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperKC wrote: | | Word, E. Word. |
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| Hobbes wrote: | it's at 51:00 to about 54:00 in the podcast. And listening to it again I was really paraphrasing  but the core of what it means is the same.
Yeah, you're probably right, sounds like they are indeed out to get paid and write for fun. Would I in the same situation? Maybe. But that's nto the point. In fact, I don't even know there is a point. All I know is I feel perfectly satisfied with these episodes until I come on here and hear you all complainign about how downhill Lost is going I mean, is there some meter that tells us how much the Man is impeding on our show and ruining it? Maybe we need one of those on the front page of LVI.
I don't even know if I'm being sarcastic or not. |
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| Rocksiren wrote: | Finally, Hobbes, KC, E and I actually agree 100% on something! I HATE to bring up Battlestar Galactica again- but I feel it is comparable in that:
1.) There is an ensemble cast of different backgrounds. Some are troubled and have issues that viewers can relate to- father/son conflict, etc. Even someone this season who was hooked on pills.
2.) It is in a setting different than that of viewers (in space).
3.) There is a lot of mystery and religious undertones.
4.) They are trying to make themselves a new home.
5.) It is an hour long drama.
BUT SOMEHOW- they keep it moving. Every episode tells you something. Storylines from the first season and the mini-series have been wrapped up- that means seemingly finished. Wow okay they admitted they have feelings for each other. That one died. They resolved their past issues. Hey, I feel like they can move on to a new storyline now! I still feel like I CARE what happens to these people. Its a feeling thats faded with LOST. Its exciting, they arent afraid that future storylines and revelations will suck and they need to cling on to the past ones. Thats all. I have to admit- I look more forward to it than to LOST these days. They did take a break 2 weeks shorter than LOST, they dont take as many breaks as LOST does, which is infuriating.
I felt that the writing for "What Kate Did" was really bad- I mean they turned her into like a sociopath- I thought it would be something uber-sympathetic. Her father molested her or beat her, or her hsband or something. Or an accidental death that no one knows is accidental. Boo!
Not to compare Starbuck to Kate, because I dont feel they are comparable. Why is Starbuck such a fighter? We find out that she was hit during her childhood, to the extent that all fingers were at one time broken. And whats the ghost after her? That she passed her fiance into a flight level he wasnt ready for, and he died because he begged her to do that. I dont know...
Damon should be upset. It must be horrible as an artist, someone who creates something to see your "baby" be taken away by a new set of writers and twisted until it isnt yours anymore. Remember- all contracts "retain creative control".
Okay Im done now. |
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| harpreetd wrote: | Woah... A lot of rage there fans! LOL
Anyways, YES it may seem that the show is stalling but overall it's a blast to watch. The characters, the themes, and backgrounds. The only problem is that you people are not patient.... Just give it some time It's only been the start of Season 2. They will get to the good stuff, just have some "FAITH"
Anyways Did anyone see the GOLDEN GLOBE AWARDS!
Hurray for LOST on winning Best T.V. Show Drama!!
WOOOHO!
Don't be haters fans. I know deep down inside your enjoying the LOST RIDE. Every bit of it... hehe. You just want a little bit more. My last words are again: BE PATIENT AND HAVE SOME FAITH IN THE SHOW! |
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| Rocksiren wrote: | | I think we have been patient. I remember having this exact same argument over the controversial season 1 finale. That was dorky. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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From the paraphrase that Hobbes gave us of that podcast, I'd have to say that our complaints are perfectly legit if even a Lost figurehead is admitting to the fact that they are being FORCED to draw out the storyline in order to milk the series for all it is worth. Maybe it is their fault for saying, "we've only got three seasons in us," to begin with. But moreover I blame the execs. Network execs have and will continue to ruin good show after good show. Whether by cancellation or by insisting on far too much (and never well-earned) creative control over a show.
It started out intelligent, ground-breaking (in a sea of reality tv) television and now its playing the same game that those now (thankfully) waning ratings grabbers do. We're just waiting for the next "most intriguing, exciting, shocking, fulfilling" rose ceremony, yet!
Maybe we should just shut up, watch the show, and not concern ourselves with the politics of it. Unfortunately, that becomes a problem with the politics effect the show's overall direction and quality. We're not fair-weather fans, the network has fair-weather execs. They don't trust the writers and they don't trust the audience. Why should I follow them blindly like a trained puppy? |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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I would love to shutup. But I really loved the show, and now I dont look forward to it anymore and is probably why I cant vid right now, and havent since July. But KC has a point.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, even if someone from the show did stop by here, they would either not care, be really saddened because they're trying their best with the limits they're given, or they would have no power to make the changes anyway.
I think the writers are doing the best they can with the limits they have. Sure, they're noit risking their careers over it, but how can you expect them to go that far?
You can argue that the show is going downhill, that the writers are screwing it all up, or whatever you want. But the truth is unless you're sending emails directly to the network executives I doubt you're going to get any more results besides dwelling on the bad points and leaving a bad taste of the whole show in your mouths just because the last few eps haven't been super-dee-duper. I loved the Other 48 Days, and the last ep. We've had some good moments and some bad moments, but I for one would rather dwell on the good than the bad. If you all want to keep complaining about the show, then go ahead. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Aww...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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We lost one Rocksiren. Sniff. What're we gonna do?
A few eps? I am unhappy with the entire direction of this season so it is quite more than a few eps.
We were having a parade here Hobbes. And you brought the rain. Shame on you! 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Eh KC, I think theres plenty who do not want to emerge from the shadows. But the ones speaking in this forum on either side are ones (including myself) that notoriously speak out on their feelings.
I am just so jazzed someone else feels like I do about this season!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: LOST still ROCKS! |
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Hobbes is right. I believe the episodes this season are awesome.. Just because they arent similar to Season 1 doesn't mean they're horrible.
They're just DIFFERENT. And that DIFFERENCE is good. I just feel kind of bad for you guys because you don't get to enjoy it like soo many others do. Sorry dudes but your the only ones hating on LOST right now. No one is going to come here. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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I dont HATE LOST. And I dont expect the same exact episodes as last season- different is good. But in my opinion, they have not the interest or depth QUALITY of writing that last season's had. Even Damon L. said he wished it was moving along faster. They have oodles of talent and potential, I just hope they really start to utilize it. And I dont think people are going to stop coming here because there is a tiny, unaggressive debate going on.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Even if it is just me and Rocksiren and an occasional drive by from E, so be it. I have some comments on tonight's episode so I can continue "hating" it in that thread.
And in addition, yeah, what rocksiren said!
*edit. I'm very interested to know what you thought of the ep! |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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I was reading this thread and I agree with a lot of things being said about the show going downhill. I mean, the first season was amazing, but it does seem to be dragging this season. I'm not quite sure if it's what Hobbes was talking about or if they are just drying up. I hope not. 
The one thing that gets me, especially after seeing Fire and Water, is why they are harping on Charlie's back story still. I mean, okay...he's a drug addict, we get it. I mean, think about it, did the ep really show us anything else about his background? IMO, no.
I really am praying that this season picks up. Lost is the only show I watch aside from Two and a Half Men. They need to start revealing just enough to hold us, and not give small characters a back story. I'm not a charlie-hater, i just think that we've seen enough of him.
You guys made a lot of good points and I totally agree; the show is kind of slow right now.
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