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littleton_pace
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I think you're right Sarah. Feelings for Kate or not, Juliet felt that way before the bomb went off and Sawyer blames himself for it. And to an extent he'd probably blame Kate too.
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Here's a picture of Claire's sonogram, taken by Dr. Goodspeed:
Notice the date. It's exactly a month later than the original S1 events. So does this mean the AU is going through some sort of lag in time vs. event???
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I dunno I'd put that down to an error as it has happened before but you never know 
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I hope it's not an error. It could explain why Aaron was born. Claire would've been 9 months prego when being on the plane, not 8 months.
When did it happen before?
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Another great episode 
Loved this, especially seeing Claire at the end of it And I was like wow french Claire doing the traps lol.
I loved the Sawyer moments, very emotional Saweyer is sweet and great to watch Especially when Kate went after him I was like yaaay lol.
The temple stuff for me started off great but now needs to start going somewhere as it dragged slightly with the Sayid not being clean.
I loved Ethan's appearance in the episode the way it was similar to the on island stuff with Claire I was like awww
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| blackwolf1480 wrote: | I hope it's not an error. It could explain why Aaron was born. Claire would've been 9 months prego when being on the plane, not 8 months.
When did it happen before? |
Claire was basically 9 months pregnant when she gave birth. When she has contractions in the pilot; she tells Jack she's nearly 8 months pregnant. And in 1x19 to Locke she says she's nearly 9 months pregnant, then she gives birth in 1x20. I doubt its an error. But you get the impression from Claire through episodes that she wasn't going to regular doctor visits. So she probably is closer to 9 months preggo in AU world; at least I hope so because then there's more of a chance we'll see Aaron born again
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| I am interested to find out if Kate is guilty or not. I know she said "Would you believe me if I told you I was innocent?" Doesn't mean she's innocent, but could mean maybe she was set up. That'd be interesting. |
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| MysticWondering wrote: | | I am interested to find out if Kate is guilty or not. I know she said "Would you believe me if I told you I was innocent?" Doesn't mean she's innocent, but could mean maybe she was set up. That'd be interesting. |
Along with the "Mr.Cluck's" commercial video from comic con there was another called "Kate on America's Most Wanted". You can youtube it. The story is that she's guilty for killing the wrong guy, at an attempt to kill her father, by mistake.
I think Kate is still guilty of murder but not the same murder as from the "original universe".
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An obvious question/thought: Can we extrapolate that sort of switch to Sawyer too, then, if it's 'variations on a theme' rather than switches? As in, he found/killed Anthony Cooper in Australia. If true, that'd bring up some interesting things for him and Locke both.
... just whistling in the dark here; could be entirely ill-founded.
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Yeh, I agree Serena, she's still guilty but she killed a different guy. And her asking Claire if she'd believe her if she was innocent, wasn't saying she is, it was asking if she could get away with it.
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| littleton_pace wrote: | | Yeh, I agree Serena, she's still guilty but she killed a different guy. And her asking Claire if she'd believe her if she was innocent, wasn't saying she is, it was asking if she could get away with it. |
Yeah, that's basically what she was saying to Claire. I can't imagine any version of Kate being innocent of anything, lol.
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| I've seen the 'Americas Most Wanted Video'. My theory is just that, perhaps she didn't do it. I highly doubt they'd give a huge piece of Kate's past in AU so clearly cut at a Comic Con Convention. |
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That's true. We'll just have to wait and see
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| blackwolf1480 wrote: | | That's true. We'll just have to wait and see |
I am excited. |
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| NepEnut wrote: | LOL Filmchick!!  Spaceballs, FTW!!!
| Quote: | | It's really annoying that the writers keep making Kate go after Sawyer when it's completely not believable that she would actually be trying to get with him right after he buried the woman he loved and he was gonna ask to marry him. Kate was such a great character in the first season but the writers have really made her winey and annoying since then. I really hope they give her character something else to do this season other than going after Jack and Sawyer. I think Sawyer said it best in this episode "Maybe we're all just meant to be alone" |
I agree with this as well. I don't hate on the triangle because it's not important to the characters - obviously, Kate/Sawyer/Jack are all who they are because of what happened to them & they've all had some kind of effect on the others in some way or another. I don't dispute that.
As far as the plot however, the triangle is a moot point. It's a subplot, but not a very important one. The stuff with the temple is a subplot too, but that's driving the story forward. The triangle does no such thing but create unnecessary tension between the characters and the time the writers spend on it could be better spent answering some question or moving the plot forward.
I know I'm hard on Kate a lot, but the reason is thus - she is a character who is defined not by who she is, but by the men in her life. I know this is a bit feminist of me, but it really peeves me when every single show on television has some female character who is constantly seeking and/or depending on the attention of her male counterparts - and personally, I find that as rather weak, especially in this day and age.
I don't think it's weak to want companionship - wanting companionship & sex is just part of human nature. But when you can't be a whole person without that companionship, when you can't function without some kind of relationship - that's when it's weak. Kate seemed to be okay during her Season 1 flashbacks - when she was on the run, she didn't need anyone else (especially not a man) and I think she was pretty well defined & her own person.
But the minute she got to that island, she latched onto Jack, and Sawyer later on, and it's like she's created this little co-dependent world for herself, where she cannot exist without the attention of Jack and/or Sawyer. She thrives on their attention, she thrives on the fact that they need her and the minute they don't need her, she's going to be very, very lost.....and I think she's starting to realize that..... |
Abby, you said this all perfectly! I completely agree; I loved Kate for the first few seasons--she was so badass and independant, and that's really what drew me to her character and made her an instant favorite. But lately the writers have made her incredibly whiny and annoying.
And, in addition to that, she's not behaving like how I feel a normal person would in this situation. Like you said, it's ridiculous that she would go after Sawyer after the woman he was going to marry just died. And I don't mean going after as in going after him relationship wise, I mean even following him to the barracks in general.
It would have been a lot better if she ditched the others simply for the reason of finding Claire, not chasing Sawyer. And, I thought it was SO messed up how Jack was being all sweet to her and then she was like, "I'm escaping" or whatever, and was completely willing to leave him behind with the others.
We all know Kate is going to end up with one of them, but at this point I feel like the writers have butchered each relationship (Jate and Skate) to the point where in real life it would be madness for her to be with either of them. There's been so much betrayal in each relationship, and so many problems that I don't think I'd be able to smile at the end when she's with either one. I'm rooting for Jate, but only if they write it in a believable way that will make ME believe that they truly will be happy together.
Overall, this episode did disappoint me. I was really looking forward to it, cause a part of me still loves the first season Kate, but aside from problems with her character in this episode, it wasn't that exciting for me. I even watched it for a second time, but it still wasn't THAT great on either timeline.
And just from a "Would this really happen?" standpoint, it's utterly ludicrous to think that a pregnant woman would actually get in a car with another woman--no matter how nice she really seems--when this woman was in handcuffs and was waving a gun around.
Don't get me wrong, the Kate/Claire thing was very sweet, especially considering that they both helped raise Aaron for awhile, but I just couldn't buy it, lol.
Also, the fact that she told that mechanic, "I'm wanted for murder" and he was like, "Sure use my bathroom, just make it quick" and made no move to call the cops. I know they were trying to portrary him like he's this cool mechanic who probably had run-ins with the law as well so he sympathizes with her, but once again, I didn't buy it. My mechanic is super cool (I had to pick up my car the other day and he was like, 'Stay for a beer' hahaha) but he would definitely contact the authorities if I came in in cuffs and a gun and was like, 'I'm wanted for murder' lmao.
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