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With the time travel and Ben possibly remembering in the future, Alpert said that Ben would forget would happen, never remember it and his innocence would be gone. The ruins that Alpert takes him too look like the ruins where Smokie lives.
I think that Smokie is going to play a role in fixing Ben, and will also "judge" him next week.
I don't know if Ben will die.....I kinda hope not though. He's like a driving force in this show. He knows everything about the island. He knows about Jacob, and has the knowledge that the Losties need. Even though he's not in the 70s with them. I suppose that Locke can go his own way, and Lapidus and Sun are on their journey, so there's not much of a use for Ben's knowledge anymore...but just for the character himself, it'd suck for him to die. He went from being the one everyone hated, to the one everyone loves.  |
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Well, I liked this episode pretty well.  (I know my post is super late...I usually post the day after it airs... )
YAY for Kate giving Aaron to Claire's mom!  I hated Kate slightly less this episode. Slightly.
I did, however, hate Jack more than ever in this episode.  What an evil man! How could he let a kid die, regardless of who he is?? (I LOL'd when I realized that NO ONE on the show likes Jack anymore. HA.)
Kate kinda got told by Sawyer, She wanted him to say he was saving Ben for her, but no, it was for Juliet....awww. ^_^
I liked seeing Cassidy again! She doesn't know what she's talking about with Sawyer, but I always kinda liked her, and it was cool to see Clementine for the split second she was on screen. XD
I quite liked the flashbacks this episode. I like Claire's mom a lot, poor lady.
And I'm so pleased to hear that Kate is on the island again to find Claire! Could this mean the triangle might be coming to an end - with Sawyer happily with Juliet, and Kate not liking Jack anymore? I mean, if she wasn't lying (as she is prone to do) then she only came back to the island to find Aaron's mum....not for anything else.
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| riay_night wrote: | | Jack has always sacrificed and done everything he could for Kate, even when it was ultimately for another man (saving Sawyer). |
Back in season 1 Jack was suck a jerk to Kate, here's a quote from the book Finding LOST by Nikki Stafford:
| Quote: | | The Only difference between Kate and the other passengers is that she was caught for her transgressions. Since the third day on the island, though, Kate has always been truthful (or so it seems) and helps everyone out. But Jack wont let her forget her lie. In the previous episode, he grilled her on why she was such a good tracker, and when she told him the truth, she turned the tables on him. He, of course, never answers any of her questions. In this episode[Whatever the Case May Be] he's rude to her, questions her, refuses to take her at her word for anything, and acts like he's her judge and jury. At the end of the episode, Jack screams at Kate to tell the truth "just this once". At the end of Tabula Rasa Kate offered to tell Jack what she did, but he said no. She told him about Rousseau's transmission, and she told him how she got her tracking skills. Jack, on the other hand, has barely told Kate a thing, but when Kate needs something that's inside that case, he doesn't respect that need, and controls and berates her throughout the episode. |
After I read that I developed a new respect for Kate.
Also, was I the only one who cried when Kate said goodbye to Aaron? I know some people almost cried, but did any cry, or was that just me?
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| Quote: | | I really didn't think it was that bad that Jack refused... I mean, I would have done it, but the only reason I would have done it was to avoid messing with time, because that would be bad. I mean, imagine if Adolf Hitler was a little boy, would you save him? Not that Ben is as bad as AH! I'm not saying that... i'm just trying to form some sort of analogy. So I don't blame Jack for it. |
I agree. I understand why he refused too. I mean, I wouldn't be for letting a little boy die but if letting him die would save, like, hundreds of other people then I find it understandable. Sure, he's a sweet little kid now. But soon that sweet little kid will grow up to viciously murder and manipulate the many people around him. It would be the Lesser of two Evils, as it were.
Also, I wouldn't hand him over to be healed by Richard if I was the one who was told he wouldn't be innocent anymore. That's basically creating a monster. That's when he stops being the sweet little kid. Maybe it would be best to die that way and not as the man he grows up to be? Hope I'm not sounding too evil here. 
Oh yeah, it was kinda lame that Ben would also magically forget it was Sayid that shot him. They took the easy way out there, unfortunately. They could've really gone CRAZY with that whole shooting thing. Paradoxes and what-not O_O Probably would've been TOO crazy But come on? He forgets all about it? xDDDD Convenient!
But then..what about Ethan who saw Locke in the past? Surely he might remember him? I love all of this time travel stuff but I hate it when they just skip over some of these details.
Yay for the BTTF reference \m/ lol. I love Hurley. He's hardly done much lately  I do love Sawyer and Juliet this season. Awesome! |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Jemmz wrote: |
Oh yeah, it was kinda lame that Ben would also magically forget it was Sayid that shot him. They took the easy way out there, unfortunately. They could've really gone CRAZY with that whole shooting thing. Paradoxes and what-not O_O Probably would've been TOO crazy But come on? He forgets all about it? xDDDD Convenient!
But then..what about Ethan who saw Locke in the past? Surely he might remember him? I love all of this time travel stuff but I hate it when they just skip over some of these details.
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I don't think Ben forgot, I think he remembered completely, but he just didn't say anything. How sane would sound if you walked up to Sayid and said "HEY GUESS WHAT YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SHOT ME 30-SOME-ODD YEARS AGO!!!"
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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I almost cried, loudpaw. The only reason I didn't, was that my husband was sitting by me and would have started berating me for crying over a show.  Otherwise, I would've cried. Tears were welling up though...I've been under a similar type of circumstance...but it wasn't that the kid wasn't mine. The kid was mine, but I did have to let her go.
So I strongly sympathized with Kate. Regardless of her actions toward Sawyer or Jack in regards to relationships, she did love Aaron and she did take good care of them, so I would actually be surprised if she did not cry when she said goodbye. She has also grown up in her own way too. She realized that it was her that needed Aaron, not the other way around, and she was strong enough and mature enough to finally let him go and let him be with his grandmother.
Yeah, on the relationships with men spectrum....she sucks at it. I don't think she has any idea what she wants when it comes to a future with a man, although when she was with Kevin in her flashbacks, I think she was desperate to have that continue, but that was when she was still running from everything. Now, she's no longer running FROM something, but running TOWARDS something, and I strongly hope, once again, that it's towards finding Claire, and I hope she wasn't making that up as BS, cause then everything good thing I have said about her will disappear.
I think she's a good character. She sucks at relationships, she used to run away from everything, but I think that's where Aaron came in. There was no need to run when she finally had him. He grounded her, helped her grow up, and that's why she needed him. I hope the change sticks with her. |
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| loudpaw wrote: | | Jemmz wrote: |
Oh yeah, it was kinda lame that Ben would also magically forget it was Sayid that shot him. They took the easy way out there, unfortunately. They could've really gone CRAZY with that whole shooting thing. Paradoxes and what-not O_O Probably would've been TOO crazy But come on? He forgets all about it? xDDDD Convenient!
But then..what about Ethan who saw Locke in the past? Surely he might remember him? I love all of this time travel stuff but I hate it when they just skip over some of these details.
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I don't think Ben forgot, I think he remembered completely, but he just didn't say anything. How sane would sound if you walked up to Sayid and said "HEY GUESS WHAT YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SHOT ME 30-SOME-ODD YEARS AGO!!!" |
LOL yeah I get that It would be good that on some level he knew. But it bothered me how Richard said he would just forget everything about it so they didn't have to deal with it. |
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ugh i hate skate. it sickens me. Im really gonna start to hate the lost writers if this is how it is supposed to be for kate. unless i just hate kate??! because she deserves it, i was like 'GO ON JACK GO ON SAWYER' when they said ''you didn't like the old me, kate'' and ''it would never have worked between us''
HA! thats what you get for not being content with the doc in the first place!!!!!
I love Jack and Sawyer, my poor lostie boys!!!
aahhh now my rant is over.
LOVED the convo between Hurley and Miles, they're almost like a new Hurley and Charlie - BLESS!! "shoot me. shoot me now please!"
That explains why Sayid wouldnt be recognized by Ben due to Richard saying he wouldn't remember any of this (i.e. being shot etc) but I suppose that way it means that it can work out for Lost time line...but at the same time it seems a bit of an easy way to get out of it.
Jack not saving Ben was a bit rude. I should spank him for that. 
Cassidy & Clementine was nice to see, also Sawyer asking about her that was sweet. I hope they get reunited some day, (and avoid the Jerry Springer show preferably)
Kate saying goodbye to Aaron was sad but I still will always dislike her for the fact that she feels she should claim him as her own and all that bollocks that Cassidy said to her that she needed the baby after Sawyer broke her heart .....thats NEWS to me. Ugh SKATE!!!! *kills lost writers*
As you can imagine I'm very jate deprived at the moment *goes to watch Something Nice Back Home and various other jate clips*
If any Skaters laugh or jest they get Hurley sat on them, because blates he is my bodyguard
Apart from that a reasonable episode. But Lost really needs to get going I'm surprised that I'm no longer dying in anticipation anymore...and I miss that.
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| cagedfreedom wrote: | ugh i hate skate. it sickens me. Im really gonna start to hate the lost writers if this is how it is supposed to be for kate. unless i just hate kate??! because she deserves it, i was like 'GO ON JACK GO ON SAWYER' when they said ''you didn't like the old me, kate'' and ''it would never have worked between us''
HA! thats what you get for not being content with the doc in the first place!!!!!
I love Jack and Sawyer, my poor lostie boys!!!
aahhh now my rant is over.
LOVED the convo between Hurley and Miles, they're almost like a new Hurley and Charlie - BLESS!! "shoot me. shoot me now please!"
That explains why Sayid wouldnt be recognized by Ben due to Richard saying he wouldn't remember any of this (i.e. being shot etc) but I suppose that way it means that it can work out for Lost time line...but at the same time it seems a bit of an easy way to get out of it.
Jack not saving Ben was a bit rude. I should spank him for that.
Cassidy & Clementine was nice to see, also Sawyer asking about her that was sweet. I hope they get reunited some day, (and avoid the Jerry Springer show preferably)
Kate saying goodbye to Aaron was sad but I still will always dislike her for the fact that she feels she should claim him as her own and all that bollocks that Cassidy said to her that she needed the baby after Sawyer broke her heart .....thats NEWS to me. Ugh SKATE!!!! *kills lost writers*
As you can imagine I'm very jate deprived at the moment *goes to watch Something Nice Back Home and various other jate clips*
If any Skaters laugh or jest they get Hurley sat on them, because blates he is my bodyguard
Apart from that a reasonable episode. But Lost really needs to get going I'm surprised that I'm no longer dying in anticipation anymore...and I miss that.
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I agree with you. But I am on the wagon for Kate/Aaron. Kate never wanted to deprive Aaron of Claire; but Claire vanished; and Aaron needed someone to look after him. And the fact that Kate is going after Claire to bring her back to Aaron; is showing she is thinking with her head; and not her heart. Her heart is telling her to have Aaron to herself;while her head is telling her to do the right thing. (I hate how they are making peole believe that Kate used Aaron in such a stupid way; 'to get over Sawyer' she was done with him before he hit the surface of the water. The interactions between Jack/Kate were hard to not see; and Sawyer saw it too; but he discredited it; and still thinks Kate is in love with him. It's why he kept bringing Juliet up. As if he can't get passed the fact that Kate had moved on; on the island.
Kate annoyed me when she told Jack she didn't like the new him. She only said that because he wasn't doing what she wanted. And he had enough of it. He was doing what she ALWAYS wanted him to do. Not take everything so seriously; not try to fix everything; and now she hates it because he's not doing what she asks? I am a Jate fan; but I am a Jack fan first.
Kate to me was like an adoptive parent; just because they aren't the biological parent; doesn't meant they love the child any less.
And I think the Cassidy scenes were so random, out there, and I discredited her view; I get it she's still hates Sawyer; but she comes off as one of those ex girlfriends who are going to flame the guy no matter what happens. Firstly; she really can't say what Kate went through or not because they were both different people and their relationships with Sawyer were both different. To me Cassidy was using her own examples that she went through for Kate; and I don't think Kate wanted to disagree with her in front of the kids. I thought Cassidy was VERY rude to Kate in the beginning of the episode; like "Want me to wake her up?" I was like "What a drama queen". Cassidy has some growing up to do.
I hate the fact that we didn't get to see more of Clementine; I would have liked to have seen that.
I love that no matter what Jack does; he's still viewed as 'the bad guy'. I found it even more humerous that Sawyer just wanted him to show Juliet where the bleed was coming form; because if Jack saved Ben; Jack's the hero.
It wasn't a great episode; the only turning point was finding out Kate and Sawyer are the real reason why Ben is so evil now.
Her giving Aaron to Carole wasn't that hard to figure out; but what I want to know is did she keep it from Jack because she actually told Carole the truth? I think it might be that. Because she spilled about their little lie. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Kate annoyed me when she told Jack she didn't like the new him. She only said that because he wasn't doing what she wanted. And he had enough of it. He was doing what she ALWAYS wanted him to do. Not take everything so seriously; not try to fix everything; and now she hates it because he's not doing what she asks? I am a Jate fan; but I am a Jack fan first.
I love that no matter what Jack does; he's still viewed as 'the bad guy'. I found it even more humerous that Sawyer just wanted him to show Juliet where the bleed was coming form; because if Jack saved Ben; Jack's the hero.
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Thank you! I'm sick of tired of Jack being bashed. Look at all the stuff that Sawyer has done like conning and deceiving people and hes still loved simply because hes the one that everyone is supposed to fancy. Don't get me wrong I adore Sawyer i love his character and sense of humour but its just such a long drawn out process with this love SQUARE!!! that its really beginning to run thin with Kate being the be all and end all of what should happen.
I'm pleased that Sawyer told her the truth in the fact that he knew it wouldn't work out (probably because he knew Kate would run between him and Jack all the time) and that he is staying faithful to Juliet. Its true what he says that he has grown up alot in the past three years. BUT he needs to lay off Jack!! grrrr!!
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pops in**
My opinion and its just that .............the writers doing their job keeping both teams in alert if anyone thought that the quandrangle is over think again..........It sucks but it truth but the only character will pay the price will be Kate!! I almost feel sorry for her but i m more jack fan .........
Even as a Jater i would understand if her heart was broken by sawyer and i would step aways and let go but seems we have deleted scenes !!! I have a friend she was a skater now she just support Sawyer and she tell me this "Sawyer broke Kates heart insert joke here !!!" In the scene when Sawyer saw Aarons birth we saw he was broken and until now no Hearting Kate!!!
Jack was straight to kate and i liked it!! He is tired and hurt from her behavior since the airport like nothing happen one night before!!!She was hurt by Aaron but Jack wasnt responsible for it.....So for me the writers making Kate look bad again.............even though saved BEN !!
The episode was kinda weird for me....... but Sawyer now is happy with Juliet and to be honest i like it ......she can bring the best from him and thats important
Parallels ???
"i did for you Kate"
"I m doing it for her"
It will be a shame if Suliet will end up just to make skate possible i know you all want skate but in skate only sawyers feelings was the matter and not Kates thats the reason i dont ship skate is Kates fault all this mess with those two guys!! They deserve better than a woman who plays with them Sawyer found it in Juliet and Jack well he is not that lucky!!!
Cass was projecting her feelings to Kate thats for sure no changing history and trust me if kate admits that she was truly in love with Sawyer and she used Jack i will admit im not so fanatic jater just to want jate to be the endgame and especially if that means she is with Jack because she cant have sawyer
But until now Kate was with Sawyer because they were a lot a like and because she knew he was a con and she couldnt hurt his feelings.....bad girl!!Each time she is pinning for Jack and when he push her away she goes to the easy part to feel okay ....Sawyer!!
Evie was amazing the Aaron scene melt my heart they should sent the Emmy straight to her house!!!!!!!!!
Did i said i want claire to be back???i would kill for a shephard family reunion!!! im thinking she s not dead hopefully !!!
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omg i forgot jack hasnt seen claire and knowing hes her sister! well surely they'll bring her back no other Lost character has just disappeared without an explanation. She's with Jacob anyway "aka Christian aka Dad" so chances are Sun will probably come across her.
Wheres the Jun reunion!?! Im GAGGING to see that!
As for the love quadrangle its true what you say pruedens sawyer deserves his happiness with juliet so they cant get rid of that unless they kill one of them off?! PLEASE NO!
as much as I want jack and kate to be together im pleased that he finally turned around and said what we were all thinking...as in by saying what he said it shows kate messes people around with her feelings.
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| Great episode, one of my favs, but I definitely cried when Kate left Aaron, because even though she's not the biological mom, she's been his mother for three years since the island. You can't just expect that to disappear just like that. Poor Aaron's going to be so confused when he wakes up. "Where's mommy and who is this strange woman?" Unfair. But I really respect Kate for what she's doing - going back for Claire, at least somebody is, because Claire was just forgotten. Although I still don't 100% buy the reasons Kate took Aaron. I don't see Kate as that selfish. Sure, maybe a part of it was for herself, but I think she did it for Aaron, and Claire too. I hope there will be a Kate/Aaron reunion in the future. |
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I actually don't think Kate did it for Claire at all. She kept saying 'She left him, she wanted to give him to be adopted' implying that Claire didn't want Aaron so Kate was taking him; which is not true in the slightest :S:S and kate knows it; claire said it when she gave birth and was sure loving him like crazy throughout the series. I think it had more to do with Kate. of course, they couldn't have Aaron adopted out or anything but I think the reason Kate offered rather than maybe someone else suggesting she take him was to do with herself; heartache over Sawyer etc 
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| loudpaw wrote: | | riay_night wrote: | | Jack has always sacrificed and done everything he could for Kate, even when it was ultimately for another man (saving Sawyer). |
Back in season 1 Jack was suck a jerk to Kate, here's a quote from the book Finding LOST by Nikki Stafford:
| Quote: | | The Only difference between Kate and the other passengers is that she was caught for her transgressions. Since the third day on the island, though, Kate has always been truthful (or so it seems) and helps everyone out. But Jack wont let her forget her lie. In the previous episode, he grilled her on why she was such a good tracker, and when she told him the truth, she turned the tables on him. He, of course, never answers any of her questions. In this episode[Whatever the Case May Be] he's rude to her, questions her, refuses to take her at her word for anything, and acts like he's her judge and jury. At the end of the episode, Jack screams at Kate to tell the truth "just this once". At the end of Tabula Rasa Kate offered to tell Jack what she did, but he said no. She told him about Rousseau's transmission, and she told him how she got her tracking skills. Jack, on the other hand, has barely told Kate a thing, but when Kate needs something that's inside that case, he doesn't respect that need, and controls and berates her throughout the episode. |
After I read that I developed a new respect for Kate.
Also, was I the only one who cried when Kate said goodbye to Aaron? I know some people almost cried, but did any cry, or was that just me? |
I cried my eyes out! Might have something to do with having a son Aaron's age though. Also being pregnant doesn't help. Maybe thats why you cried. Your baby is due soon isn't she?
OH and I love that quote b/c that is why I used to be a Skater for a long time b/c I really thougth Jack was a controlling ass for a long time and wouldn't see Kate for who she was now just who she used to be and that used to really bother me.
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