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Sun finds out about Charlie!!
Here's a spoiler that should actually worry me but I'm actually glad this fake abduction thing is getting dealt with... This is something that really, really bother me about Charlie - that he would scare Sun like that just to get revenge on Locke. I don't think I could ever fully enjoy the PB&J romance unless this gets resolved.
Here's the quote from Ausiello
Question: Lost scoop with a cherry on top, please?— Kelly Rae
Ausiello: Charlie's about to get his comeuppance for kidnapping Sun last season. "That is getting resolved in an upcoming episode," exec producer Carlton Cuse tells me. "Sun finally finds out who actually did that to her. It takes place in another character's episode, but it becomes an important ancillary part of that episode." Cuse adds that it's a "reasonable assumption" that the reveal will cause problems between Charlie and Claire.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: |
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I can really understand that these spoilers bother you.
I'm actually glad they're going to reveal the truth, but there's one thing that bothers me, too: As you know I'm not really fond of Charlie and that's the authors' fault because Charlie seems to have two sides only: Charlie, the loving, caring guy and Charlie, the asshole... it seems as if there isn't anything in between and he isn't much of a complex character. That's quite sad because they could make so much more of him.  
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| yeah i read that about sun finding out which kinda makes me feel how is Charlie is gonna be around the rest of the survivors because i have a feeling Jin will give him a punch and then things could get a bit rocky with claire. There's alot which could happen i think with this coming out when look at what happened in season 2: fire + water look what happened to his character when he stole baby aaron he got a punch from Locke and not many people wanted to know him i have a feeling some of this could repeat its self when sun finds out about Charlie because everyone on the island thought it was the others except Charlie and Sawyer because they were both in on it |
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Awww maaann..
Well, I always knew that sooner or later it was gonna come back and bite Charlie in the ass.
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| KajaM wrote: | I can really understand that these spoilers bother you.
I'm actually glad they're going to reveal the truth, but there's one thing that bothers me, too: As you know I'm not really fond of Charlie and that's the authors' fault because Charlie seems to have two sides only: Charlie, the loving, caring guy and Charlie, the asshole... it seems as if there isn't anything in between and he isn't much of a complex character. That's quite sad because they could make so much more of him. |
Actually they don't bother me... I'm glad they're going to deal with it because I have a problem with it. It's the thing Charlie's done that can be considered his worse act ever and I won't feel 100% confortable with his character until I can see that he is sorry and feels some remorse.
As for complex character, now I understand why you don't like him very much... for me he is very real and I can really identify with him. I'm a total Charlie - without the drugs (I won't go into details  ). I believe Charlie is (with Locke) the most well written Character on the show. For example, the way he keeps being so annoying and snappy toward people at the beginning of season 2? Especially poor Hurley? I wanted to slap him silly. Then I remembered he was carrying a virgin Mary statue full of heroin everywhere he went. For someone who quit cold turkey and didn't have any kind of professional support, you really understand why he was being snappy. He was probably thinking of the little stash he had and having a fight in his own mind trying to resist relapsing. It's something to quit in a place where there's no more supply, another where you got enough drugs to last a lifetime at your disposal...
But I drifted... to return to the Sun incident, I know that Charlie was being a jerk and an asshole... but you do realize that it was Sawyer's idea in the first place? You know, the Sawyer that got his ass carried by Jin and the other tailies through the Other-infested jungle? Jin that spent an awful lot of time with Sawyer on that raft. Who do you think Jin is going to be more angry at?
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| cylune wrote: | | But I drifted... to return to the Sun incident, I know that Charlie was being a jerk and an asshole... but you do realize that it was Sawyer's idea in the first place? You know, the Sawyer that got his ass carried by Jin and the other tailies through the Other-infested jungle? Jin that spent an awful lot of time with Sawyer on that raft. Who do you think Jin is going to be more angry at? |
I am sure that Sawyer will get his come-uppance regarding that as well. Charlie will not go down alone. That being said, doesn't matter who's idea it was. We are all responsible for our own actions. |
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| SuperKC wrote: | | That being said, doesn't matter who's idea it was. We are all responsible for our own actions. |
ITA. The fact that it was Sawyer's idea doesn't by any means excuse Charlie for his action.  It's just that a lot of people are forgetting Sawyer's involment. I even saw people arguing that since Sawyer didn't do the deed, that he was less guilty than Charlie. WTF?
I even saw people arguing that since Sawyer is handsome and Charlie ugly that we should forgive Sawyer.  Sad thing is that I'm not even kidding.
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So it's going to be Charlie getting screwed over once again. Great
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| Noj wrote: | | So it's going to be Charlie getting screwed over once again. Great |
He has to eventually pay for this. Sawyer too, IMO. But yeah, if anybody screwed Charlie over it's himself. He's the one who chose to do it. |
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| Noj wrote: | | So it's going to be Charlie getting screwed over once again. Great |
I actually want him to get his comeuppance over this. What he did was awful. If it's another beating then let it be... however, I'd like for the writers to be a little more creative. and not forget Sawyer.
Oh and I would like to thank KC for that awsome icon of Charlie's guilty look to Sun in three minutes (well, I hope it's a guilty look. )
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i think it could be a guilty look  |
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*lol* Cool icon, Cinthia!
And yes, you're very right: Sawyer is just as guilty as Charlie. People indeed tend to forget about this (so did I) because Sawyer is the "handsome badboy"... just wondering if his guilt will be revealed, too, and if so, how it will influence his relationship with Kate. 
Another thing (off-topic): I really miss those wonderful Charlie/Hurley moments. I really hope we'll get to see some more of them soon.
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I hope Kate finds out that it was Sawyer's plan indeed...i'm looking forward to her reaction 
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| KajaM wrote: | *lol* Cool icon, Cinthia!
And yes, you're very right: Sawyer is just as guilty as Charlie. People indeed tend to forget about this (so did I) because Sawyer is the "handsome badboy"... just wondering if his guilt will be revealed, too, and if so, how it will influence his relationship with Kate. |
It's hard to resist those dimples. I'm trying to stay strong here... will not be blinded by the pretty. 
Actually it's only human nature... even babies are more attracted to people that are good looking. That also explain why, at equal competences, a good looking person will get the job over someone who is less good looking. Also reminds me a few years ago there was this cute young blond woman that was sentenced to death in the US. It open a really heated debate on the relevance of the death penality.... people were outrage their country would kill this cute blond woman when they had no problems whatsoever with other other that were sentenced to death and had committed as much heinous crimes. Since she was so pretty, she couldn't be that bad right?
Anyway, not trying to bash Sawyer here (love the guy!) but it really annoys me to no end that he can get away with anything while at the slightest slip, Charlie gets murdered by the fan. Can you just imagine the fan reaction if it had been Charlie killing that three frog??? Oh God, I don't event want to think about it!!!!
As for how Kate is going to react, it might not be a big deal since she pretty much figured it out already and that she's not above this kind of behavior herself (the Michael poisoning incident).
| KajaM wrote: | | Another thing (off-topic): I really miss those wonderful Charlie/Hurley moments. I really hope we'll get to see some more of them soon. |
If the spoiler are accurate, you might just get your wish. I love Charlie and Hurley toghether - fun team. 
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I found this spoiler at spoilerfix.com for the episode 3x14 - "Exposé" (Nikki & Paolo-centric):
| Quote: | | Hurley begins to suspect that Sawyer may be involved in an island mystery surrounding two fellow survivors, and Sun learns the truth about her past kidnapping attempt by The Others. |
I wonder if Sun will find out only about Charlie's involvement or Charlie and Sawyer. The later one would be more interesting to see, IMO.
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