Lost Video Island

rbexter93 · Expert Vidder Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 3270

I am very annoyed lately with the way it seems the voting system has changed.
It seems as if you guys have made it harder to get picks or have become predjeduced against certain vidders (or towards in some cases).
I find many vidders who aren't getting the picks they deserve while others seem to be getting picks reguardless of their quality.
For instance KC's video Scorned well deserved a gold pick as it had original story line that was well executed with good editing.
She was given great comments and lead to believe by CM's that the video was going to recieve a gold pick. I feel the judges should give honest comments instead of trying to be nice. It makes people wonder why they haven't got picks and also seems a little sly.
Maybe it's just me that thinks this. I am interested in seeing what you think.
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Polarbear · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject:

Hey Becca

Well the silver CP isn't something to be ashamed of it is a reward just like the gold one. The voting system is kept private for a reason so people don't get upset. It is not a sly thing on our parts. If you have a problem with a vote I think it's best to pm a CM rather than start a thread like this. If KC wants to know why it got a silver pick I would be happy to address it in a pm.

We try our best but sometimes we do get it wrong we're only human after all. I think we are more than fair overall though.
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rbexter93 · Expert Vidder Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 3270

I actually wasn't saying the way the votes are hidden is sly it's just CM's could give honest, consturctive opinions in the video threads and not sugar coat everything
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Fan4Lost · Advanced Vidder Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 2224

Okay, I have to say something in KC's honor here. I already have a bad standing here so I guess it doesn't matter what I say right now. I love everyone here, I'm not downing any of the council members, just the system, so don't think that.

Her latest video, IMO and I'm sure a lot of people agree, was more deserving than just a silver CP. I watched it twice, as well as beta-ed it while she was working on it. This video was superbly cut, the song was a very unique choice, it had a story line, and it flowed with ease. I have seen so many videos and I have some experience with using video editing programs, so I think I know what makes a good video.

If we can't talk openly about how we feel about the council then why bother? I thought the council was here for us? I understand the need for people to not get riled up but we have an opinion and it should be heard. Becca had every right to voice how she felt.

So can one of the council please explain to me why it got a silver and not a gold? I'm just curious how it was judged. What did you base your judgement on? This can only help and I think it should be discussed out in the open like adults.

KajaM · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject:

All I can say for now is that we will discuss this matter. I didn't vote on the vid myself, but I agree with you, Steph and Becca: It deserves a Golden pick... at least that's my personal opinion.
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rbexter93 · Expert Vidder Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 3270

thanks Karolina. I feel many people feel censored around here to give their proper opinions and I can see why. I appriciate that you may have made it harder to acieve picks but if you have I would prefer that we knew about it. I have no problem with that
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Polarbear · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject:

Well in the past when I have given 'negative' comments on a thread people have got upset. I meant everything I said I just didn't touch on what I thought it lacked.

When we brought the silver pick in I felt it should be harder to get a gold pick else what's the point? They are for the truly outstanding vids if we give them out to just really good vids then it's gonna be a bit pointless. It's all open to interpretation though on what you feel deserves gold or silver. Originality is just one of the things we look for, the most important yes but we also like to focus on how the clips go together in beat and style and things like this.

Anyways I just want members to be happy here so I'll take away my vote. I personally HATE voting on my friend's videos. I'm sorry KC I really liked the vid and it was certainly close to a gold but I thought it should be silver.
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Fan4Lost · Advanced Vidder Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 2224

There's nothing wrong with being honest Paul. But I think that in a person video thread that negative comments should be left out only because people are proud of what they did and don't like to hear it. It's human nature, nobody likes to be told by anyone that their work isn't as good as they thought. And yes, i know you mean me when you said that about the negative comment in peoples thread, but we're past that now. I appologized, you applogized, we're cool now.

I think the whole probelm here is that people feel the council is too secretive about how they vote. I know Warren has explained it once around here somewhere, but sometimes brainiac Warren just doesn't speak in laymans terms.

I sure still don't understand how they are voted on.

The point here is that these people have to rely on 8/9 council's opinions of what they think is good and what isn't. Is that truely fair? Should the opinion of a few count for the whole?

PsychoCynic · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject:

I totally agree with Becca. I actually wanted to bring this up myself, but, as we now see Becca has got more courage. So thank you!

I don't see this only with the recently-mentioned Scorned by KC, but with a LOT of vids that are posted up on LVI. It seems to me that MOST (please note that I do mean MOST, as there are exceptions) Gold picks are awarded to...

A) vidders that have created good works so far and are almost automatically given a gold.
B) vidders with a more superior program than WMM.

About A, I can see how one would want to automatically give a gold to vidders that have produced great vids beforehand, but it almost seems as if the CM members/system is playing on PREJUDICES. I always feel like I have to GAIN the CMs respect by making one AMAZING vid after the other or else I won't even be noticed.

About B, and I speak to the ole members most when I say this, but don't we all remember that even the CMs (with all their new and cool programs now) started out making awesome videos with WMM. Remember Karolina's early works? And Aislynn's? All they had was a really good storyline and good editing to gain recognization (that word seems like it is awfully spelt)

. Today it seems like vids need to be over the top for that to happen!

I understand that the awards are distributed to give people something to strive for, and I know the good CMs here all want every vidder to be the best that they could be. But sometimes I feel like there are certain things not within the vidder's control that prevent us from that.

I still love coming to LVI, interacting with people, and watching vids, but this is something that's been on my mind recently and I had to get it out.

I hope my post wasn't complete drivel and that this thread will make some reforms around here.

*is hopeful*
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SuperKC · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject:

Okay Wow. I think we need to change my title to "controversy master homebody."

First of all, thank you Becca. It's never easy being in the spotlight but I know how even less easy it is to be one to stand up and say something when you think something's just not right here.

And thank you Karolina for saying you think it deserves Gold. Means a lot!

Steph Thank you so much I really appreciate you saying what you did about my vid. I am always on the brink of controversy here at LVI, and I think it is because I feel the same as you, that we should be able to talk openly about whatever. And I think that I do that, because I KNOW that is the kind of home that E and LC want to foster here - one of openness. It's the reason there are NO forum rules.

And Paul, I don't know what to say. I am not angry by any means that you voted Silver. It is after all, your opinion. I appreciate what you have to say here and I certainly appreciate you withdrawing your vote. Although hopefully that won't hurt me.

I'm still confused as to how voting works as well, like Steph said.

As was my understanding, silver was brought in so that more vids that had gone unrecognized could get at least some recognition, not to make it even more difficult to get a gold.

I personally understand the need for secrecy regarding votes. I don't think anyone should have to out themselves regarding how they voted, though I appreciate you doing so, it's really your own personal choice and it could cause trouble.

But I won't let it because you're awesome Paul. Even though you voted Silver. You stingy BASTARD! /sarcasm.

Seriously, we'll see how the rest of this plays out since Paul has withdrawn his vote. If one person's vote can make THAT big of a difference, and Karolina, who WOULD have voted GOLD didn't even get to vote, maybe a re-tooling of your voting system is in order?

PsychoCynic · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject:

Polarbear · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject:

Well I agree I try not to give any negative comments cause I guess it does more harm than good. Yeah I did mean you lol and I'm over it too and have learnt from it

It's called a Council Pick for a reason because it's chosen by us. Choose to ignore it if you want. I'm all for a public pick or whatever aswell but don't take away our jobs we have to feed the kids and such

If anyone has a problem with how a vid is voted on I am happy to talk to them in pm. I think it's better cause it gets everyone on edge like this thread is doing :/
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Aislynn · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject:

Okay, I'm going to speak honestly from the heart and try to keep down the sugar-coating.

Let me start with this...

xgene · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:00 am Post subject:

First off, not to sound like an a**hole, but I am totally against the creation of this thread. I don't believe in bashing the authority figures when we knew well that we were putting our trust in their decisions everytime we submit a vid here, you don't like it, don't submit.

cylune · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:07 am Post subject: