Lost Video Island

Aislynn

Recently, YouTube has begun to definitely crack down on copyright violations by deleting vids, adding ads to vid pages and in some cases, completely deleting your YouTube account.

Here's some of the messages you might receive if you have a fanvid currently hosted on YouTube:

Captain Freya · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:23 am Post subject:

Thanks for this Aislynn. I haven't had any vids deleted yet but I've definitely noticed that more and more vids are being taken down and I was getting kinda worried. But this is definitely helpful. I've noticed that most of the vids being taken down seem to be more because of the music, rather than the video clips and that newer, more popular music from big companies seems to be more at risk. I dunno if maybe that's why I've escaped it so far - Cause I use less well-known music maybe? (Yay for indie!)
I also read somewhere hat Viacom are having a real crackdown on people using their clips, though I'm not sure how much that'll neccessarily affect us.
Either way, there's a bit on the wikipedia page about the whole lawsuit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom
Just thought I'd add my two cents...
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pruedens · Expert Vidder Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 238

A lot of Vidders deside to put intro's before their videos so they stop the copyright infringement we hope YouTube will stop delete our vids besides we don't make money from making fun vids it's our hobby !!

Aislynn · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject:

New development on the YouTube front (not directly vidding-related but raises some interesting questions for us):

YouTube to offer MGM films
YouTube to show full CBS programs

Okay, so if they figure that showing full movies and TV shows free (with ads) is good business for them, then why not do the same for fanvids? Support it with ads and they make money every time one of our vids are watched! We make no money but are allowed to have our vids up, they make money and get free advertisement. How is that not win-win for both the music and movie/TV companies and the vidders who are fans of their products?

tjmack1986 · Expert Vidder Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 3436

I know Aislynn...it makes absolutely no sense what so ever. It's very frustrating though, that I can say.
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Aislynn · Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:57 am Post subject:

If you've recently had a vid removed from YouTube, you may be caught in the recent Warner Music Group dispute. Essentially, what's happened is that in 2006, Warner struck a deal with YouTube to allow their music to be used on YT in exchange for revenue sharing. But now that renegotiations for a new deal have broken down, Warner has pulled its sanctioning, which means they'll no longer allow their music to be used on YouTube. So if you've just had a vid removed, chances are the music was licensed back to Warner Music Group and that's why. (Unless, of course, you were caught by another music or TV/movie company who doesn't allow their products to be used in vids.

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Maybe one day they'll get this all figured out and realize vidders (who make absolutely no profit) could be used as totally free publicity for their product. But until then... *massive sigh*

Just thought I'd pass that along.

Captain Freya · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:11 am Post subject:

A random thought just came to me - How come all the fan sites (where we all get our clips from) never seem to encounter any legal troubles??
How come people making harmless little videos on YT get into trouble, but the sites that freely distribute LOADS of clips (without any of us neccessarily needing to buy/rip our own DVDs) never do? Or am I grossly misunderstanding copyright laws? Or shall I just sit quietly in the corner and let the grown ups talk while I silently thank all those Clip Sites for theire lovely free clips?
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littleton_pace · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:49 am Post subject:

that's a good thought freya

I thought about it when i was making my charlie/claire clip site but figured since it's not as well known as Evi.net and stuff it's all good. but i wonder if for those more popular sites there's some loophole in the law in that they're not saying DOWNLOAD THESE but the option is there and thus the choice is up to the person who decides whether or not to download? I have absolutely nothing to support this, btw ;P just a thought

like on youtube, a purely vid watching site there's like no choice, the person has to watch and thus its taking away from the companies or whatever. but if its for download, there is an actual choice and they cant police who decides to do what? who knows? Let's all just sit quietly in corners and keep downloading, lol

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Aislynn · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:15 am Post subject:

I don't know what the official stance is on it now but I can remember hearing back when I was first getting into vidding and was looking for clip sites that anything under the 3 - 5 minute length was supposed to be covered by Fair Use, which basically is how you can see clips of a movie on a review show or on a bit on the news and they didn't have to jump through hoops to get proper permission to show it (have you ever noticed how short those clips always are? That's why, so they stay under the Fair Use time limit).

I suspect that the problem with vidding versus sites with clips comes from the music, not the video source. Because there's no equivalent "fair use" for music, then the music copyright holders are going to be quicker on the draw to try and take down anybody using their material, whether you profit from it or not, whether you've edited it down under a certain time limit, whatever. Not to say that the video source won't go after you as well, there are a lot of movie studios that will have a basket of kittens before they'd let a fan use their material in a non-profit way.

But, in my experience, it tends to be the music copyright holders who throw the biggest fit.

That's my take on it, anyway.

KajaM · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject:

littleton_pace · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject:

gah, that sux karolina!!! also means my Leave Out All The Rest vid will be removed sooner or later as well :S:S:S
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Jemmz · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject:

Oh no!!! That really sucks guys

HobbitRockGod · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject:

Have they found a way around intros? Because I just tried to upload a vid with a song by Linkin Park that HAD an intro in the beginning of it, but they took it down before it finished processing! It's going on zshare and imeem. Apparently they REALLY don't want Warner Music vids on there.

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PsychoCynic · Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:22 am Post subject:

Youtube blows.

Very helpful explanations, Ais.
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Charmed_Charlee · Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: