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NepEnut Expert Vidder

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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I don't quite know what to think about this episode. It was interesting seeing the origins of Jacob/MIB - but how'd Allison Janney get there in the first place? Why the hell was she there?
I had a theory at the beginning of the episode - the only way to end MIB is to throw him down the hole of light. Well, thanks for blowing that one out of the water for me Jacob.... It could still be possible, but I don't know....
The whole 'light' thing just struck me a really cheesy. So basically, the island is a beacon of good that needs to be protected because if the light goes out, everyone will be evil? WTF? Really?!
I think though, the whole idea that Jacob created the darkness, so therefore, he has to keep it contained is dead on the money.
And as for blame, I don't think anyone in that situation was blameless. Allison Janney was crazy and secretive, especially for playing favorites and pitting them against one another. Jacob was just a pathetic mama's boy, and granted - yes, he didn't know what was going to happen by sending MIB down the light hole, but still - tossing your brother down something that's been described as "worse than death" isn't very nice, is it?
MIB had his issues too, but all-in-all if there was someone who got the short end of the stick, it's him. I actually felt sorry for him during this episode, because the only thing he wanted to do was get out and experience the things his "mother" told him didn't exist, and what does he get? All his friends get killed and his brother turns him into some evil, soulless monster.....it's just kind of sad.....
I'm still on Team Jacob, because I think MIB has proved he's a force to be reckoned with (especially after last week's episode), but I don't think Jacob is as totally pristine as everyone's thought. Especially since it's his own damn fault there's a smoke monster.....
Overall, the episode was intriguing. I think they could have answered a bit more instead of creating more questions, but I think as far as the story, it was pretty cool. Especially finding out about Adam & Eve...that was probably the highlight of the episode.... _________________

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Aislynn Council Member
Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 35782 Location: Sawyerville, USA
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:27 am Post subject: |
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Allow me to sum up my reaction to this episode via an icon made by my lovely LJ friend hibernate:
I mean, it's not like I didn't want to know all of this stuff, I did. But it just seemed to rather be a waste of an entire ep at the same time. Or maybe it was just that it would've been awesome to see this a bit earlier in the season instead of now where we're down to just the equivalent of a few scant more hours with our Losties! Anything taking time away from them just doesn't seem right at this point, I suppose.
I really do love Titus Welliver's MiB (not that I haven't been enjoying Terry's version but at the same time it would've been interesting to see Titus get to continue the part). It was, at least, an interesting revelation that Jacob was responsible for not only unleashing the Smoke Monster on the world, but for creating him to begin with! No wonder MiB has been peeved all this time and wanted to kill him.
Last week, MiB/FLocke sort of settled the debate as to whether or not he's eeeeevil. Yet this week, I felt a lot of sympathy for MiB. His real mother was killed, his crazy!mama would rather kill him than let him leave, then she DID try to kill him, Jacob put not one but TWO beatdowns on him in this one episode, then HE not only "killed" him, he turned him into some freaky evil incarnate smoke monster thing! I think I'd be a little horked off at the end of all that, too!
I probably will appreciate this episode more later on, after all is said and done and my immediate response isn't "Uh, yeah, thanks for explaining who Adam and Eve were and what those stones were all about and all that but WHERE ARE MY LOSTIES?"
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littleton_pace Council Member

Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 55699 Location: the nest
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:28 am Post subject: |
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NepEnut wrote: | The whole 'light' thing just struck me a really cheesy. So basically, the island is a beacon of good that needs to be protected because if the light goes out, everyone will be evil? WTF? Really?! |
reading that made me remember what that whole thing reminded me of!! Xena!!! or Hercules!! That whole part of the episode had that same cheesy, over the top quality that those shows had. _________________
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Brooke Expert Vidder
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: |
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The light was cheesy. Some of the aspects of this show is just cheesy.
I am wondering since Jacob and MIB are both 'special'. Perhaps it's only them who can't go down the light? Just a weird theory for a weird lighty thingie. LOL.
If I was on the island hanging out with Jack and Sawyer, and I knew MIB was evil, I wouldn't let him off either. I don't care what the promises me, I knew that he'd ruin things because he's well evil. He may not have been born evil, but he is now evil, there for I agree that he should be left there.
I agree, I wish it would have explained more instead of giving us more questions.
I felt Richard's scenes with his wife, at the end were cheesy like that.
LOL! Zena and Hercules. I remember. I think Lost can be that cheesy at times.
It was the highlight because it's finally a question we've wanted to know from the very beginning. |
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Athena Alexandria Expert Vidder

Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 2138 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:32 am Post subject: |
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littleton_pace wrote: | reading that made me remember what that whole thing reminded me of!! Xena!!! or Hercules!! That whole part of the episode had that same cheesy, over the top quality that those shows had. |
LMAO!!! I thought the same thing, Kat! Especially when the boys were in the jungle and they first saw the other men! Their costumes (with all the leather and the metal studs) looked like the ones warlords like Draco used to wear on those shows! _________________
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Brooke Expert Vidder
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:37 am Post subject: |
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I think she just wanted to make sure he never found the light again.
I thought it was weird, at first I thought she could sense when things happened IE, when Jacob and Man Who Should Have A Name: Played the game, she knew they were up to something, or when Jacob went to see his brother and she asks where he was, he says she already knows.
I felt bad for both boys. I think in the end they both got the short straw.
I don't think the mom tried to kill him she did love them, both like she said in different ways. I think she wanted to knock him out so that she could kill his surroundings. She wanted to make sure he never went there again, I don't think she had the heart to kill him.
They both 'killed' for revenge. They both lost things, and they were both lied to.
And when you see their reactions after they do the horrible deed, they wanted to take it back. They both grieved for what they did. |
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EMMALOUISE Expert Vidder
Joined: 28 Jun 2009 Posts: 439 Location: England
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:45 am Post subject: |
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I dont really know what to make of this epi, i dont think it answered that many questions.
If mib and aj are adam and eve then why in season 1 did jack say it takes clothing 40 or 50 years to debray like this was that a mistake by the writers.
I didn't really like the whole light thing, i agree it was really cheesy.
I really wish they had given mib a name,before he turned evil.
Maybe i would have liked the epi more if it had been earlier in the season then near the end, i really wanted to see some of the regular losties.
I just think it was a step down compared to last weeks epi. |
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littleton_pace Council Member

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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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EMMALOUISE wrote: | Maybe i would have liked the epi more if it had been earlier in the season then near the end, i really wanted to see some of the regular losties. |
Exactly what I said Emma, I feel the same way. Now, so close to the end of the whole, was not the time to show an episode like this especially after last week.
And yeh, jack does say it takes 40-50 years for the clothing to degrade... maybe the island's healing powers kept the clothes healthy too?
And I agree it didn't answer many questions. MiB is smoky, we knew that already, now we know who "adam and eve" are (my Rose/bernard theory tossed away). I dunno why I don't buy Jacob burying his "mother" next to the person who killed her... I guess its a family thing, now jacob has nothing left... but MiB comes back, we know that. Maybe that's what took away from the burial for me.
I did like the connections of Jacob/Mib/AJ to Kate/Claire/Aaron and Danielle/Alex/Ben. Even if they weren't intentional; I saw them. But, every time I see a pregnant woman on Lost I think it relates to Claire   _________________
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Debbie Expert Vidder

Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Posts: 4987
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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excuse me but HOW FRICKING ADORABLE WAS CHILD VERSION OF MIB?!
that kid is seriously so cute!  _________________
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Belle MacFarlane Expert Vidder

Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7771 Location: McKinley High choir room. Sometimes Hogwarts.
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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first things first - what if MiB doesn't have a name? but the closest we have is Adam. so his name is now Adam.
I floved this ep. True, it was lacking as many answers as I was expecting, but it was so great that I don't care
Mark Pellegrino was hot as always. Loved the scenes from season 1. And MiB is actually just a... thing? "I was a man once" <---- I get it now! a fate worse than death - becoming evil unable to leave the Island. again, I get it now.
only thing is - where are Rose and Bernard if they're not Adam & Eve?  _________________
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emmasholi Council Member

Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 15576 Location: Wigan, England
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I'm surprised by the general reaction to this episode, I actually really liked it and thought people would've loved it LOL
- Personally, I was satisfied with the 'answers' we got I thought it was really interesting. It would've been nice to actually find out MIB's name, but I'm trusting that we will at some point.
- I loved the the whole light thingymagig!! I didn't find it cheesy at all when I was watching it, but looking at it now, I can see why people might think that. It kinda made me think of it as a physical representation of God. But thats probably because she was talking about there being a bit of it in all of us But then...'God' chewing someone up and burping them out as a pillar of black smoke probably doesn't fit with that whole idea hehehe 
- The end totally destroyed me! There were quivering lips, falling tears, whimpers, the works! LOL It was just the way they were showing them finding Adam & Eve at the same time. Kinda made it real that this is the end  _________________
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Brooke Expert Vidder
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think they were Adam and Eve.
I think we where shown this because one of the questions we had were 'who were the skeletons.
Just because Locke says 'it's our very own Adam and Eve', doesn't mean they are.
I saw this as disproving Locke's claim if he was implying it was 'THE' Adam and Eve. I think what Locke meant by that was it was the 'Adam and Eve' of the island, not 'THE' Adam and Eve. |
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Belle MacFarlane Expert Vidder

Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7771 Location: McKinley High choir room. Sometimes Hogwarts.
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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emmasholi wrote: | - I loved the the whole light thingymagig!! I didn't find it cheesy at all when I was watching it, but looking at it now, I can see why people might think that. It kinda made me think of it as a physical representation of God. But thats probably because she was talking about there being a bit of it in all of us But then...'God' chewing someone up and burping them out as a pillar of black smoke probably doesn't fit with that whole idea hehehe  |
Well in Supernatural demons and that are pillars of black smoke like Smokey, just not so big... and Lucifer (ironically, played by Mark Pellegrino in Supernatural) was once an angel, sent by God to hell. So that kinda explains "God chewing someone up and burping them out as a pillar of black smoke"  _________________
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Belle MacFarlane Expert Vidder

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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Brooke wrote: | I don't think they were Adam and Eve.
I think we where shown this because one of the questions we had were 'who were the skeletons.
Just because Locke says 'it's our very own Adam and Eve', doesn't mean they are.
I saw this as disproving Locke's claim if he was implying it was 'THE' Adam and Eve. I think what Locke meant by that was it was the 'Adam and Eve' of the island, not 'THE' Adam and Eve. |
I didn't mean it like that - it's just, they're generally referred to as "Adam and Eve", I don't think they actually are Adam and Eve  _________________
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Debbie Expert Vidder

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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Brooke wrote: | I don't think they were Adam and Eve.
I think we where shown this because one of the questions we had were 'who were the skeletons.
Just because Locke says 'it's our very own Adam and Eve', doesn't mean they are.
I saw this as disproving Locke's claim if he was implying it was 'THE' Adam and Eve. I think what Locke meant by that was it was the 'Adam and Eve' of the island, not 'THE' Adam and Eve. |
Isn't that what everyone thinks anyway? lol. I don't think anyone thought they were actually Adam and Eve.Adam & eve were just always nicknames for the skeletons to me, I just assumed everyone was the same? _________________
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