Lost Video Island

MoreLight

I was watching a few Lost vids today (big surprise huh?) and was thinking over the reaction of vidders to comments on their vids at this and other vid sites I am a member of.

Some vidders ask for pointers, some just want to show off their work and if it sucks the idea is to "keep it to yourself buddy," some want to improve, some want to have the approval of others. There are also a multitude of ways to go about giving comments.

"You suck and your vid sucks" is not constructive even if those 2 facts are true. In a slightly better but also unhelpful manner "You rock and your vid ROCKS!" is also not very constructive in terms of improving vidding skills but makes a vidder feel good for the rest of the day.

I know some vidders want to learn, others want to share, and some could give a "fart in my general direction" what I think.

How do you make a constructive comment?
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JakeNRoland · Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject:

I dig detailed comments as well. Good or bad. Neither one phase me too much cause I still feel the same way about each video I make no matter what people say about it. But getting detailed input about what worked, what didn't is always cool. I've seen good and bad things said about my work and it was all glorious to hear. That's how you learn. But I'll shut up now.
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No, I'm Laura's twin. And Hobbes is my Jedi Padawan. The force is strong in that one. You guys rock!!

LAURA4LAD · Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject:

will comment later tonight.
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SuperKC · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:

Well I don't know if anyone has noticed but I have yet to comment at the video boards, so maybe this thread will be good for retards like myself who don't have much to say.

I think my problem is that since I'm relatively new to fan-made videos, all of them are just... "wow." To me. I'm learning what to look for and what I like, but for the most part I just have a lot of respect for the people who make them and definately respect for those people who have enough talent to get thier video passed by the (shiver) council.

I think that all of the videos here are good - that's why they're here. They're good quality picture-wise, easy to download, (ie, not ten thousand MB in size) and they're well made. It's obvious to me that a lot of thought goes into each video here. Which is why it's hard for me, the newbie, to have anything more to say than the aforementioned, "Wow."

(Or, if you will, "OMG DUDE! Your video rocks and so do you!")

I have more to say, but dinner is served so I'll be back!

Enchirito · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:48 am Post subject:

It's pretty simple to critique a video. Just express to the vidder what you liked about the video and what you didn't like about it. There isn't a wrong answer to either of those!
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LAURA4LAD

Some vidders may want comments or suggestions to better themselves and their work. I'm not ashamed to say I'm not one of them. I make LOST videos, and have made them for other fandoms because..

1. I usually am quite obsessed with the subject matter
2. Mixing songs with said subject "rocks"
3. Gives me practice in my downtime from school projects (telecomm major)

I post them in public to..
1.) receive comments such as "This rocks! YOU rock!"
2.) share the lost love
3.) If i made them and kept them to myself that would be sad

I personally believe in cronstructive critism when it is put in a manner that doesn't offend. This is a boundry that I really can't explain. I know personally I've made over 100 videos and wouldn't change a thing about them. These are not submissions to a film festival--they are fan videos to enjoy--take them or leave them.
Before this fandom I hosted several vidders. Some were very talented, some were not. I never said to them "this video is poorly done," because they were still learning. Each video from then on got better and better because they saw their work and decided what to improve or change themselves.
I really thought I was in for it when i joined the council here, but i accept and reject videos on a daily basis with no problems. That doesn't mean i e-mail rejectees with advice on how to improve themselves. Hobbes' videos pretty much some that up--
Some people want others to tell them how to cookie cutter out a good video. I really disagree with this because all the videos are starting to look alike to me. I can understand critism like--
"WMM is very bad at seperating clips so you might want to make tighter cuts."
I can't understand critism like--
"I don't understand why you would use--or do" Because it is their artistic right to do..well..whatever the hell they want to. POWER to them.
If i offended anyone-get use to it-laura

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Enchirito · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:41 am Post subject:

I hope I don't offend you when I say I must criticize your inability to accept criticizim. I think it's unfair to ask for good feedback and then reject negative feedback. Plus, sometimes when people point out what they didn't like about your work, you find things that you yourself don't like about it. This makes you better at pleasing others AND pleasing yourself.

That's just what I think and you're free to disagree.
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Hobbes · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:44 am Post subject:

I think I dish it out, but I've never really taken it, mostly because nobody gave me any yet

somebody do so...

LAURA4LAD · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:12 pm Post subject:

MoreLight · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject:

One of the reasons I posted this is also to get an idea of who wants criticism and who wants just praise.

I've stepped on some toes when I joined various forums due to the way members view comments on things like pics they've posted, wallpapers they've made and now vids.

I am not a good lier. If I don't like something I generally spell it out and since I find it impolite for me not to comment on a vid that I've downloaded. I run into a little quandary.

I am not at all saying you have to follow my own recipe for what I think makes a good vid at all as I've said before - that would be boring. If I believed every vid should conform to MoreLight's standard for fan based vids I'd just make a list of all the songs for the vids and make my own.

Just as I don't expect other people to make vids to please me I also don't expect every vidder to have the same view as I do on "constructive criticism" which comes to this post.

I want to learn what other people like in my vids so I can "see media art" through other individual eyes. I've taken art appreciation courses in College and wondered what would art be if no one cared how good it was to other people. My answer was abstract art. Which I think sucks, but I know others like it.

I made the mistake of ASSUMING that every vidder had the same feeling about their vids as I did and wanted to see what worked and what didn't. Now I understand that some take the comments as personal offenses to their creative artistry and will be careful for future comments.

LAURA4LAD · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject:

Morelight please don't let my reservations on the subject stop you from being honest. I also apologize for being bitchy in my response post. So be honest and I'll try to keep my whinning to a minimum.-laura

Enchirito · Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:59 am Post subject:

As you can see from our posts, LAURA and I have somewhat oposing viewpoints on this subject. They are BOTH perfectly valid. The cool thing is that anyone who reads this topic will now know how to respod to each of us in manner we prefer. So, this thread is useful after all!

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SuperKC · Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:15 am Post subject:

MoreLight · Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject:

Enchirito · Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: